He's not exactly making a good case for himself when he compairs the lack of a clean set of clothes to wiping out much of a villiage. Whether or not you (or I) agree it was politically astute to go into his country I don't think he is anymore legitimate then any other warlord, and he certainly doesn't seem to get it when he complains that he is not geting the royal treatment. Even in the middle ages they had methods of disposessing rulers they thought were iligetimate, it's just ussually the people of the actual country had more to do with the process.
Intell said he wanted to blow us up pretty bad and had the means to? (if Bush didn't know the intel was bad- as I suspect he didn't- he's not culpable)
At some point, you gotta move.
Do you move now and pray intell was right, or do you move later, after he blew you up? ^_^
I'm not Pro-Saddam at all, but who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial."
Uh... would you use that same argument to denounce the Nuremberg war crimes trials?
I opposed the Iraq war, but that doesn't mean I think Saddam shouldn't stand trial for his crimes. I'd prefer the US drop their pigheaded opposition to the ICC, but given how the Milosevic trial has gone perhaps it's better that the Iraqis will have Saddam hung within a couple months.
What is wrong with the Milosevic trial? If ever they manage to stabilize his health, he is going away for a looong time. The preceedings have functioned brilliantly, giving him no manovering possibility.
I'm not Pro-Saddam at all, but who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial."
When the duly appointed officials of the UN refuse to recognize the laws that they make, the US has a duty to prevent the world from screwing itself up again.
They do have a problem that they are not selective enough with who we give membership, optomism sometimes could use a little pragmatic balancing. Perhaps waiting until countries are able to recognize legitimate rulers, then we should allow them a vote? Otherwise perhaps we should hold off on that a bit. A government that is illigitimate isn't exactly going to be better just because they go international. Besides, regional oligarchies tend to undermine any democratic tendancies that exist in their countries. :)
It would be more convincing if the US had signed up to the ICC. They haven't even signed up to the international convention on the rights of the child, which only 1 other country has not signed up to.
Well, considering that its taking place in an IRAQI court not an AMERICAN court, I don't know that we are putting him on trial. Nevertheless, I know the point you're trying to make--but then, technically, aren't we also defending him? Former United States Attorney General Ramsey Clark is now on his legal defense team.
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Date: 2005-12-09 04:44 am (UTC)amen to that. Warlords Bush and Clinton included.
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Date: 2005-12-08 06:06 am (UTC)Yeah, but he doesn't have the finesse of Dick "Big Time" Cheney.
but who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial.
America...FUCK YEAH! (http://www.megiloth.com/sounds/america_fuckyeah.wav)
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Date: 2005-12-08 07:38 pm (UTC)(if Bush didn't know the intel was bad- as I suspect he didn't- he's not culpable)
At some point, you gotta move.
Do you move now and pray intell was right, or do you move later, after he blew you up?
^_^
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Date: 2005-12-08 06:16 am (UTC)Uh... would you use that same argument to denounce the Nuremberg war crimes trials?
I opposed the Iraq war, but that doesn't mean I think Saddam shouldn't stand trial for his crimes. I'd prefer the US drop their pigheaded opposition to the ICC, but given how the Milosevic trial has gone perhaps it's better that the Iraqis will have Saddam hung within a couple months.
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Date: 2005-12-08 06:50 pm (UTC)If ever they manage to stabilize his health, he is going away for a looong time.
The preceedings have functioned brilliantly, giving him no manovering possibility.
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Date: 2005-12-08 07:03 am (UTC)When the duly appointed officials of the UN refuse to recognize the laws that they make, the US has a duty to prevent the world from screwing itself up again.
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Date: 2005-12-08 11:08 am (UTC)In this case the US/CIA put the leader there in the first place.
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Date: 2005-12-08 03:34 pm (UTC)Where's yours?
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Date: 2005-12-08 03:54 pm (UTC)When in Rome!
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Date: 2005-12-08 03:32 pm (UTC)We're not putting Saddam on trial, the Iraqis are. If the West was to put Saddam on trial, it'd be another embaressment in the Hague.
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Date: 2005-12-08 03:54 pm (UTC)*sarcasm*
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Date: 2005-12-08 07:34 pm (UTC)Personally, I don't see why he just didn't get disappeared.
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Date: 2005-12-09 07:43 pm (UTC)Good point.