Date: 2005-12-08 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psych0squirrel.livejournal.com
He's not exactly making a good case for himself when he compairs the lack of a clean set of clothes to wiping out much of a villiage. Whether or not you (or I) agree it was politically astute to go into his country I don't think he is anymore legitimate then any other warlord, and he certainly doesn't seem to get it when he complains that he is not geting the royal treatment. Even in the middle ages they had methods of disposessing rulers they thought were iligetimate, it's just ussually the people of the actual country had more to do with the process.

Date: 2005-12-09 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] choobie.livejournal.com
"I don't think he is anymore legitimate then any other warlord"

amen to that. Warlords Bush and Clinton included.

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you are so wrong

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The White Man's Burden

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Date: 2005-12-08 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] megiloth.livejournal.com
Saddam is pretty much saying 'F*ck off' to this whole bullshit trial

Yeah, but he doesn't have the finesse of Dick "Big Time" Cheney.

but who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial.

America...FUCK YEAH! (http://www.megiloth.com/sounds/america_fuckyeah.wav)

Date: 2005-12-08 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jimb.livejournal.com
Nobody is as smooth as big Dick.

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Date: 2005-12-08 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vlion.livejournal.com
Intell said he wanted to blow us up pretty bad and had the means to?
(if Bush didn't know the intel was bad- as I suspect he didn't- he's not culpable)

At some point, you gotta move.

Do you move now and pray intell was right, or do you move later, after he blew you up?
^_^

Date: 2005-12-08 06:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceejayoz.livejournal.com
I'm not Pro-Saddam at all, but who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial."

Uh... would you use that same argument to denounce the Nuremberg war crimes trials?

I opposed the Iraq war, but that doesn't mean I think Saddam shouldn't stand trial for his crimes. I'd prefer the US drop their pigheaded opposition to the ICC, but given how the Milosevic trial has gone perhaps it's better that the Iraqis will have Saddam hung within a couple months.

Date: 2005-12-08 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-muad-dib.livejournal.com
What is wrong with the Milosevic trial?
If ever they manage to stabilize his health, he is going away for a looong time.
The preceedings have functioned brilliantly, giving him no manovering possibility.

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Date: 2005-12-08 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nallyo.livejournal.com
I'm not Pro-Saddam at all, but who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial."

When the duly appointed officials of the UN refuse to recognize the laws that they make, the US has a duty to prevent the world from screwing itself up again.

Date: 2005-12-09 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psych0squirrel.livejournal.com
They do have a problem that they are not selective enough with who we give membership, optomism sometimes could use a little pragmatic balancing. Perhaps waiting until countries are able to recognize legitimate rulers, then we should allow them a vote? Otherwise perhaps we should hold off on that a bit. A government that is illigitimate isn't exactly going to be better just because they go international. Besides, regional oligarchies tend to undermine any democratic tendancies that exist in their countries. :)
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Date: 2005-12-08 09:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] motherginsberg.livejournal.com
you and i agree.

Date: 2005-12-08 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
It would be more convincing if the US had signed up to the ICC. They haven't even signed up to the international convention on the rights of the child, which only 1 other country has not signed up to.

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Date: 2005-12-08 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial'

In this case the US/CIA put the leader there in the first place.

Date: 2005-12-08 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tbonestg.livejournal.com
Hmmm, self-loathing Americans often throw this statement around, but rarely have the slightest bit of evidence to back it up.

Where's yours?

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Date: 2005-12-08 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-hamburglar.livejournal.com
You're right, we shouldn't be using a western style court, let's just go ahead with the public execution.

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Date: 2005-12-08 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tbonestg.livejournal.com
but who are WE to come into a sovereign nation and tell the leader 'The west is putting you on trial."

We're not putting Saddam on trial, the Iraqis are. If the West was to put Saddam on trial, it'd be another embaressment in the Hague.

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Date: 2005-12-08 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-muad-dib.livejournal.com
suuuuuure.

Date: 2005-12-09 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stupiddumbpanda.livejournal.com
Yes! Surely the Iraqis can do justice much better than the west.

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Date: 2005-12-08 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zombiesmustdie.livejournal.com
your icon makes my brain explode

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Date: 2005-12-08 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metamadman.livejournal.com
yeah it's a sham...

Date: 2005-12-08 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vlion.livejournal.com
just like Nuremburg.
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Date: 2005-12-08 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vlion.livejournal.com
*yawn*
Personally, I don't see why he just didn't get disappeared.

Date: 2005-12-09 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yamansalahi.livejournal.com
Well, considering that its taking place in an IRAQI court not an AMERICAN court, I don't know that we are putting him on trial. Nevertheless, I know the point you're trying to make--but then, technically, aren't we also defending him? Former United States Attorney General Ramsey Clark is now on his legal defense team.

Date: 2005-12-09 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nacreousflaneur.livejournal.com
but then, technically, aren't we also defending him? Former United States Attorney General Ramsey Clark is now on his legal defense team.

Good point.

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