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[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

How do you suggest President Obama secure the border?

Why can't he just close tax loopholes? Doesn't he have a pen and phone?

You realize that using Executive Orders to change the tax code would create a massive outcry by Republicans? They're already accusing him of some Imperial Presidency stuff, even though his use of such signing orders and such is far less than his predecessor.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

Securing the border is pretty easy - just introduce national ID card. Done. There other more involved methods, like building fences. Plus, if I had all the answers, I would run for president. Whoever volunteers for the job should have the answers, and they all claim to have answers. When they get the job, all of a sudden nothing is doable anymore.

That is exactly what I am saying - if he wants to do something, then he has pen and phone. But then he doesn't; don't you think he just picks and chooses?

Actually, reps aren't the only ones that accuses him in " imperial Presidency" stuff. If you were watching FNC, you would know that liberals do too. For example, professor Turley, very liberal and big time supporter.

Next, not all executive orders are equal. It's not the quantity, but quality, executive orders are legal, but have to be done right. I know, if not for that right winger Elena Kagan, the SC would never make that decision about recess appointments.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

just introduce national ID card. Done

Good luck with that. Same for border-spanning massive fences. No one wants the privacy invasion of the former, no one wants to pay for the latter. Especially Republicans. Why didn't George W Bush do it during his 8 years in office?

The Recess Appointment ruling was a letter of the law case, you really don't like to stick to a topic, do you?

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

W didn't do it, maybe because he was big government proponent too, or maybe he on the hook for big business. I am not going to twist myself into a pretzel trying to defend W, I never said he was right on everything. I would advise you to do the same, just friendly advise.
What that supposed to mean "letter of law case"? There is only 2 options: guilty or not guilty, no contest doesn't apply here.
Wait a second, you are the one who never answers my direct questions, no - only the ones you don't have answers for. Check the initial thread. and I like to stick to the topic, when I know what is the topic.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

What's more Big Government than federal government-issued ID cards that will let the NSA track everyone so much easier than today?

The Court ruled that the technicality of Congress not actually sitting but also not on recess was valid and the President couldn't make recess appointments. Congress wasn't doing any work but that fact wasn't sufficient for the Court. I'm not arguing it was an incorrect ruling, it just wasn't the smack from the Court some people pretend it was.

Ask whatever questions you like. If I don't follow up sufficiently for your liking, ask again.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

If I don't follow up sufficiently for your liking, ask again
Same here. I understand sometimes it's difficult to follow up, but you accused me of not following up.
1. How he selects when to use an executive order?
2.What you say about Turley calling him imperial president?
3.Do you really think that dems with all their millions and billions, millionaire and billionaire friends their care about regular people.

What's more Big Government than federal government-issued ID cards
You might be right about this one. I have to think about it.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

1) Compared to W, Obama has only issued a fraction of those orders. However, it appears he's gotten frustrated enough with Congress to start doing more. Apparently he's about to use them in regards to immigration. Will it be in the way you like?

2) Turley has the brain of a duck, that's my opinion. Again, has issued far fewer orders than the previous President. You can't call someone an Imperial President just because you don't like him and retain any credibility.

3) Democrats are happy to court the same big money as other parties. However, they do pass things like unemployment extensions and health care reform. All Republicans do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and try to get pipelines built that won't help Americans at all.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

1. Again, W's executive order were in accordance with the law. Elena Kagan herself declared that O's aren't. You heard about it, right? Don't try to be more religious then pope himself. It is OK to be wrong, admit it and set yourself free.
2. Turley is a big supporter of his and a constitutional law professor, just like O, that was enough to declare him a genius. Turley is stupid now? If he could do any executive order, then there would not be congress at all. Yes, I don't like him, no secret there, and one of the reasons is him being an imperial.
3. Why they pass these things? Do you think Pelosi or Hillary feel sorry for unemployed? Fizzy, politics is just a business for these people, I include reps too.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

1) Recess appointments, not executive orders. One issue.

2) Again, neither you nor Turley has demonstrated how Obama is an Imperial.

3) They pass these things because Democrats believe in the social contract. They understand that a broken, powerless underclass bodes poorly for a strong country. Do they do as much as they could? Not even close but there's a tangible difference in policy between the parties.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

1. Recess appointment using executive order
2. Turley did, he showed that that executive branch created laws, and this falls under "imperial" category.
3. How much money they make while doing that?
Here I'll differ with you and it is an opinion, so neither of us can prove right or wrong. Don't give a fish but a fishing net. You know what I mean.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

1. You have that so wrong, there's no going past it. Recess appointments aren't Executive Orders. They're appointments made when congress in in recess. The ruling against the President said that Congress technically wasn't in recess, despite them not being in chambers or doing any work. Get the terminology right.

2) You've yet to back Turley's claims with say, any source material.

3) They get paid the same as anyone else in Congress.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

1. That's not me.
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-defiant-after-supreme-court-rules-against-his-executive-order-appointments
2. Maybe some other time. I feel lazy today. Can't you do the work for me? Did you hear his testimony in congress? I keep forgetting that you're not a TV person, should be documented somewhere. You want to see Turley thought flow, right?
3. What they get as a salary, just a change, that's not what I'm talking about at all. They make the money through the deals. For example, did you know that the husband of our senator got the crazy train contract?

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

There was a lot of money appropriated already for fences that was never used.
Busch was actually very pro reform, and there is a point that the republicans were obstructionist getting it done, both then and now. However, it was/is along the lines of secure borders first then reform. We went thru this before with the Reagan amnesty.

The problem I have with just saying, "we could do so much more if the repubs would just say yes". is it does not take into consideration WHY they are saying no. It's so much easier to say "they are protecting corporate interests and they hate the poor". (funny thing is both sides protect corporate interests, and I .really don't anyone who actively hates the poor, I think it's more a matter of being dismissive of them, but even that goes both ways, the dems just use my money (and yours) to make it seem like they care :D)

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

the dems just use my money (and yours) to make it seem like they care :D)

I'm gonna need an example.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Off the top of my head, how about school lunches, or starting our very own stem cell research program (Arnold was terrible that way)

Honestly, I'm pretty sure we would not agree on very many items that are necessary and that are merely "handouts". We really should have coffee together sometime and discuss it :D