Date: 2014-06-29 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
How do you suggest President Obama secure the border?

Why can't he just close tax loopholes? Doesn't he have a pen and phone?

You realize that using Executive Orders to change the tax code would create a massive outcry by Republicans? They're already accusing him of some Imperial Presidency stuff, even though his use of such signing orders and such is far less than his predecessor.

Date: 2014-06-29 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
just introduce national ID card. Done

Good luck with that. Same for border-spanning massive fences. No one wants the privacy invasion of the former, no one wants to pay for the latter. Especially Republicans. Why didn't George W Bush do it during his 8 years in office?

The Recess Appointment ruling was a letter of the law case, you really don't like to stick to a topic, do you?

Date: 2014-06-29 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
What's more Big Government than federal government-issued ID cards that will let the NSA track everyone so much easier than today?

The Court ruled that the technicality of Congress not actually sitting but also not on recess was valid and the President couldn't make recess appointments. Congress wasn't doing any work but that fact wasn't sufficient for the Court. I'm not arguing it was an incorrect ruling, it just wasn't the smack from the Court some people pretend it was.

Ask whatever questions you like. If I don't follow up sufficiently for your liking, ask again.
Edited Date: 2014-06-29 09:57 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-07-01 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
1) Compared to W, Obama has only issued a fraction of those orders. However, it appears he's gotten frustrated enough with Congress to start doing more. Apparently he's about to use them in regards to immigration. Will it be in the way you like?

2) Turley has the brain of a duck, that's my opinion. Again, has issued far fewer orders than the previous President. You can't call someone an Imperial President just because you don't like him and retain any credibility.

3) Democrats are happy to court the same big money as other parties. However, they do pass things like unemployment extensions and health care reform. All Republicans do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and try to get pipelines built that won't help Americans at all.

Date: 2014-07-01 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
1) Recess appointments, not executive orders. One issue.

2) Again, neither you nor Turley has demonstrated how Obama is an Imperial.

3) They pass these things because Democrats believe in the social contract. They understand that a broken, powerless underclass bodes poorly for a strong country. Do they do as much as they could? Not even close but there's a tangible difference in policy between the parties.

Date: 2014-07-02 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
1. You have that so wrong, there's no going past it. Recess appointments aren't Executive Orders. They're appointments made when congress in in recess. The ruling against the President said that Congress technically wasn't in recess, despite them not being in chambers or doing any work. Get the terminology right.

2) You've yet to back Turley's claims with say, any source material.

3) They get paid the same as anyone else in Congress.

Date: 2014-06-30 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
There was a lot of money appropriated already for fences that was never used.
Busch was actually very pro reform, and there is a point that the republicans were obstructionist getting it done, both then and now. However, it was/is along the lines of secure borders first then reform. We went thru this before with the Reagan amnesty.

The problem I have with just saying, "we could do so much more if the repubs would just say yes". is it does not take into consideration WHY they are saying no. It's so much easier to say "they are protecting corporate interests and they hate the poor". (funny thing is both sides protect corporate interests, and I .really don't anyone who actively hates the poor, I think it's more a matter of being dismissive of them, but even that goes both ways, the dems just use my money (and yours) to make it seem like they care :D)

Date: 2014-06-30 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
the dems just use my money (and yours) to make it seem like they care :D)

I'm gonna need an example.

Date: 2014-07-01 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Off the top of my head, how about school lunches, or starting our very own stem cell research program (Arnold was terrible that way)

Honestly, I'm pretty sure we would not agree on very many items that are necessary and that are merely "handouts". We really should have coffee together sometime and discuss it :D

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