Now that you're done cut-n-pasting from your Google search...yes, I am guilty of being white. I never heard of "Kwanzaa" or "Winter Solstice" until the 90's when it became popular to be black and in touch with tribal ceremonies, or be a wiccan/pagan and resurrect ancient traditions. I don't have any Gallup polls to back this up, but I would imagine the only people who ever heard of these pseudo days of celebration and observance before 1990, are the people that participated in such events.
In other words, Israel's theocracy (falsely called a "democracy" by some) can in no way be compared to the USA in matters of religion
Thank you for proving my point. I wasn't comparing religions and countries, I simply said that if I was in Israel, I would be more apt to see "Happy Hannukah" sign, events, sale-a-brations, etc.
You were talking about Israel while you currently live in the USA. You are implying a comparison by stating how it is in Israel. You were attempting to make a point.
You are not "guilty" of being white. You are guilty of not only not giving a fuck about non-white people (not so bad in itself), but actively dismissing/insulting some of their traditions on the basis of these traditions being relatively new. You are also guilty of being reactionary, one in hundreds of millions, a painfully typical American, who attempts being shocking in an always failed bid towards individuality. Good luck with that.
the Winter Solstice is an ancient holiday that was practiced way before Christianity was even a gleam in anyone's eyes. Just because YOU didn't know about it doesn't mean it hasn't been celebrated.
I'm sure some obscure sect observed a Winter Solstice way before the birth of Christ. As I'm sure ancient peoples feared thunder or fire and observed their occurances. Happy Thunder Day!!!
Let's stick with real holidays and not something started by the pagan equivalent of backwoods Kentucky snake handlers. Thanks.
...? All ancient religions are Pagan. They were practiced on every continent and in very present country. Every single ethnic group, every culture culture, and all of your ancestors from that time period pretty much lived in a society that practiced some sort of Pagan religion. The greatest early examples of civilization prospered as Pagans before they found Christianity (if they did). It wasn't anti-Christian or anything then...it was before all that.
Examples: Romans (who, before their conversion, ruled almost all of Europe and parts of Africa and Asia at their highest point, and who still hold the strongest part of the earliest Christian practices) Celtics (from around the present UK) Greeks Mesopotamians Egyptians all Asian and Africans countries all Native Americans, North and South... They all had festivals or some type of holiday associated with the changing seasons, moon phases, and the harvest (all parts of nature). It is not a coincidence that many Christian holidays just happen to fall around these dates...it was already the custom to celebrate then.
I am not trying to prove that it is a superior religion or anything like that. I'm not a practicing Pagan. Just letting you know it wasn't some strange phenomenon found in a seperated part of unintelligent weirdos.
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Date: 2005-12-07 04:44 am (UTC)Now that you're done cut-n-pasting from your Google search...yes, I am guilty of being white. I never heard of "Kwanzaa" or "Winter Solstice" until the 90's when it became popular to be black and in touch with tribal ceremonies, or be a wiccan/pagan and resurrect ancient traditions. I don't have any Gallup polls to back this up, but I would imagine the only people who ever heard of these pseudo days of celebration and observance before 1990, are the people that participated in such events.
In other words, Israel's theocracy (falsely called a "democracy" by some) can in no way be compared to the USA in matters of religion
Thank you for proving my point. I wasn't comparing religions and countries, I simply said that if I was in Israel, I would be more apt to see "Happy Hannukah" sign, events, sale-a-brations, etc.
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Date: 2005-12-07 04:56 pm (UTC)You were talking about Israel while you currently live in the USA. You are implying a comparison by stating how it is in Israel. You were attempting to make a point.
You are not "guilty" of being white. You are guilty of not only not giving a fuck about non-white people (not so bad in itself), but actively dismissing/insulting some of their traditions on the basis of these traditions being relatively new. You are also guilty of being reactionary, one in hundreds of millions, a painfully typical American, who attempts being shocking in an always failed bid towards individuality. Good luck with that.
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Date: 2005-12-07 11:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-12-08 07:07 am (UTC)Let's stick with real holidays and not something started by the pagan equivalent of backwoods Kentucky snake handlers. Thanks.
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Date: 2005-12-08 07:54 pm (UTC)All ancient religions are Pagan. They were practiced on every continent and in very present country. Every single ethnic group, every culture culture, and all of your ancestors from that time period pretty much lived in a society that practiced some sort of Pagan religion. The greatest early examples of civilization prospered as Pagans before they found Christianity (if they did). It wasn't anti-Christian or anything then...it was before all that.
Examples:
Romans (who, before their conversion, ruled almost all of Europe and parts of Africa and Asia at their highest point, and who still hold the strongest part of the earliest Christian practices)
Celtics (from around the present UK)
Greeks
Mesopotamians
Egyptians
all Asian and Africans countries
all Native Americans, North and South...
They all had festivals or some type of holiday associated with the changing seasons, moon phases, and the harvest (all parts of nature). It is not a coincidence that many Christian holidays just happen to fall around these dates...it was already the custom to celebrate then.
I am not trying to prove that it is a superior religion or anything like that. I'm not a practicing Pagan. Just letting you know it wasn't some strange phenomenon found in a seperated part of unintelligent weirdos.