I dont understand how that makes me a "Fake LJ User"? I simply dont use LJ to inform people about my life. I suppose it is the lack of narcissism that i display. I joined the community because i wanted to comment on the cartoons. I dont see a reason to chronicle a life that is better remembered in the hearts and minds of those i truly meet.
Wah! Wah! Wah! It's not a cartoon! Wah! Wah! Wah! Religious nuts are making it all up! Wah! Wah! Wah! Jesus wasn't born on December 25th anyway! Wah! Wah! Wah! Liberals support inclusion just like Christ would so they're the only ones really celebrating Christmas by not celebrating it at all! Wah! Wah! Wah! You are a racist bigot!
There. I have now just made every comment that will be made to this entry. No one else need type a single one :)
Go ahead. Continue with your silly comments. Believe in Mel Gibson. Stop being such a Jew. That's what the Road Warrior would do. You can't do it can you? Go on...
It's the idea that places change the meaning of Christmas in cards, advertising, company memos, etc to include everybody. In wishing someone a Merry Christmas, it's like they commited a crime. Wouldn't want to have a celebration that left out the Jews who celebrate Hanukah, the Muslims who celebrate the birth of the guy that invented C4, or the couple dozen blacks that observe Kwanzaa.
To settle this, I say that to not offend me...athiests, agnostics, wiccans, pagans, etc work on Christmas. It's not like they believe in the meaning of the holiday anyway :P
IMO, the majority of people who celebrated "Christmas" didn't give two shits about the birth of Jesus, and the corporations certainly didn't. Christians should be embracing this as an opportunity to reclaim the word Christmas to celebrate a day of profound significance to them and be pleased that the watered down (and, were I Christian, pretty insulting) crap that people have turned Christmas into is now being properly recognized as a generic "holiday celebration" rather than a pseudoreligious one.
Christmas and Hannukah are legit holidays as far as most people are concerned. This newly discovered Kwanzaa or Winter Solstice stuff is just silly.
I'm no expert, but I bet if I lived in Israel, I would see lots of Happy Hannukah signs everywhere, and probably not a lot of Christmas celebrations. I wouldn't be offended. I hear it's a mostly Jewish country.
"This newly discovered Kwanzaa or Winter Solstice stuff is just silly."
To you. You're white as snow - and like your religions ancient, just like those who killed Christians back in the Roman day.
Israel is a country where there are 2 tiers of citizenship. To fulfill the requirements for the higher level of citizenship, you must be Jewish. It's a Jewish nation.
The U.S. Constitution says that the United States was founded as a secular government, based on the authority of "We, the People," not a god, king, or dictator.
The word "God" appear in the U.S. Constitution zero times. The U.S. Constitution is a godless document.
The Declaration of Independence refer to Christianity or Jesus exactly zero times. There is no mention of Jesus, Christ, Christianity, religious persecution, or religious freedom in the Declaration of Independence.
The separation of church and state originated in the United States of America. The U.S.A. was the very first nation in history to separate church and state.
Roger Williams' Providence settlement founded in 1656 expressly guaranteed religious freedom. However, the Pilgrims originally were a tolerant people, when they founded Plymouth in 1620. By 1691, the Pilgrims had adopted the theocratic, intolerant Calvinism of the Puritans, who founded the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1628. The Puritans came to this land expressly to establish a bible commonwealth, and banished "heretics" and dissenters. In Virginia, heresy was a capital offense punishable by death by burning. Quakers were particularly persecuted. People who were not orthodox Christians were not legally protected, could be denied civil rights and jailed. The founders of the new nation of the United States of America, conversant with extreme religious intolerance and violence in the several colonies, were determined to put an end to it. That is why they established state/church separation.
"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquillity [sic] of Musselmen... it is declared... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." -- 1797 U.S. treaty with Tripoli. This treaty was written under Washington's presidency, and it was ratified by Congress under President John Adams, signed by Adams.
By an Act of Congress, U.S. currency has carried the motto "In God We Trust" only since 1957.
The Pledge of Allegiance, first published in 1892, has included the words "under God" only since 1954.
In other words, Israel's theocracy (falsely called a "democracy" by some) can in no way be compared to the USA in matters of religion.
Now that you're done cut-n-pasting from your Google search...yes, I am guilty of being white. I never heard of "Kwanzaa" or "Winter Solstice" until the 90's when it became popular to be black and in touch with tribal ceremonies, or be a wiccan/pagan and resurrect ancient traditions. I don't have any Gallup polls to back this up, but I would imagine the only people who ever heard of these pseudo days of celebration and observance before 1990, are the people that participated in such events.
In other words, Israel's theocracy (falsely called a "democracy" by some) can in no way be compared to the USA in matters of religion
Thank you for proving my point. I wasn't comparing religions and countries, I simply said that if I was in Israel, I would be more apt to see "Happy Hannukah" sign, events, sale-a-brations, etc.
You were talking about Israel while you currently live in the USA. You are implying a comparison by stating how it is in Israel. You were attempting to make a point.
You are not "guilty" of being white. You are guilty of not only not giving a fuck about non-white people (not so bad in itself), but actively dismissing/insulting some of their traditions on the basis of these traditions being relatively new. You are also guilty of being reactionary, one in hundreds of millions, a painfully typical American, who attempts being shocking in an always failed bid towards individuality. Good luck with that.
the Winter Solstice is an ancient holiday that was practiced way before Christianity was even a gleam in anyone's eyes. Just because YOU didn't know about it doesn't mean it hasn't been celebrated.
I'm sure some obscure sect observed a Winter Solstice way before the birth of Christ. As I'm sure ancient peoples feared thunder or fire and observed their occurances. Happy Thunder Day!!!
Let's stick with real holidays and not something started by the pagan equivalent of backwoods Kentucky snake handlers. Thanks.
...? All ancient religions are Pagan. They were practiced on every continent and in very present country. Every single ethnic group, every culture culture, and all of your ancestors from that time period pretty much lived in a society that practiced some sort of Pagan religion. The greatest early examples of civilization prospered as Pagans before they found Christianity (if they did). It wasn't anti-Christian or anything then...it was before all that.
Examples: Romans (who, before their conversion, ruled almost all of Europe and parts of Africa and Asia at their highest point, and who still hold the strongest part of the earliest Christian practices) Celtics (from around the present UK) Greeks Mesopotamians Egyptians all Asian and Africans countries all Native Americans, North and South... They all had festivals or some type of holiday associated with the changing seasons, moon phases, and the harvest (all parts of nature). It is not a coincidence that many Christian holidays just happen to fall around these dates...it was already the custom to celebrate then.
I am not trying to prove that it is a superior religion or anything like that. I'm not a practicing Pagan. Just letting you know it wasn't some strange phenomenon found in a seperated part of unintelligent weirdos.
I'm not offended necessarily by the term, "Happy Holidays". It's when the term, "Christmas" is dismissed because of it's religious significance. It's more like a handful of the population is offended by people saying Merry Christmas when it's actually Christmas. So in order to appease a minority on something as basic as Christmas, the majority is expected to refer to the celebrated day of the birth of Jesus as "Happy Holidays" so that co-workers, shoppers, etc aren't offended?? Doesn't make a bit of sense to me.
So...Christmas isn't included in the word Holiday? Holiday means "except Christmas?"
The people who don't want to say Merry Christmas and don't want to heart it are non Christians, and as much as people try to make it so, this is NOT a Christian nation. This is a nation where the majority of people happen to be Christian, but it is NOT the national religion. Just like you don't want a Pagan coming up to you and wishing you a Happy Yule, Imbolc, Candlemas, whatever, they don't really want to hear about Christmas. Religion is a personal thing. Keep it between yourself and the other practitioners.
Do you think people should HAVE to say Merry Christmas?
The department store I work at, I guess, is just an equal-opportunity hater because we don't even MENTION holidays in or commercials, ads or our store (except for the uhh...Christmas section)..we just mention gifts in the ads, because that is what a department store is about. You spending your money there. They aren't there to help you feel happy about the season, and they shouldn't have to display Merry Christmas on a big banner at the front of the store like O'Reilly wants. The department store doesn't give a flying fuck about Jesus, they want your money.
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Date: 2005-12-03 08:05 am (UTC)Yeah, Encyclopedia Brown has nothing on my m4d $killz!!!!!1111
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Date: 2005-12-03 07:47 am (UTC)There. I have now just made every comment that will be made to this entry. No one else need type a single one :)
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Date: 2005-12-03 10:12 am (UTC)To settle this, I say that to not offend me...athiests, agnostics, wiccans, pagans, etc work on Christmas. It's not like they believe in the meaning of the holiday anyway :P
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Date: 2005-12-03 10:40 am (UTC)Also, the overtime is fucking sweet. =D
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Date: 2005-12-07 03:47 am (UTC)Speaking of which, someone sounds a little cranky.
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Date: 2005-12-04 10:09 am (UTC)To turn it around a little, how would you feel if a department store ran all kinds of ads wishing you a Happy Hannukah and mentioned nothing else?
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Date: 2005-12-05 03:05 pm (UTC)ALL the winter holidays are gift-giving occasions. I don't see why people flip out about department stores deciding to include everybody.
Oh no! Spendingmart puts on the image that every holiday is important! That must means they think Christians are stupid!!
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Date: 2005-12-07 11:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-12-07 03:45 am (UTC)I'm no expert, but I bet if I lived in Israel, I would see lots of Happy Hannukah signs everywhere, and probably not a lot of Christmas celebrations. I wouldn't be offended. I hear it's a mostly Jewish country.
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Date: 2005-12-07 04:24 am (UTC)To you. You're white as snow - and like your religions ancient, just like those who killed Christians back in the Roman day.
Israel is a country where there are 2 tiers of citizenship. To fulfill the requirements for the higher level of citizenship, you must be Jewish. It's a Jewish nation.
The U.S. Constitution says that the United States was founded as a secular government, based on the authority of "We, the People," not a god, king, or dictator.
The word "God" appear in the U.S. Constitution zero times. The U.S. Constitution is a godless document.
The Declaration of Independence refer to Christianity or Jesus exactly zero times. There is no mention of Jesus, Christ, Christianity, religious persecution, or religious freedom in the Declaration of Independence.
The separation of church and state originated in the United States of America. The U.S.A. was the very first nation in history to separate church and state.
Roger Williams' Providence settlement founded in 1656 expressly guaranteed religious freedom. However, the Pilgrims originally were a tolerant people, when they founded Plymouth in 1620. By 1691, the Pilgrims had adopted the theocratic, intolerant Calvinism of the Puritans, who founded the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1628. The Puritans came to this land expressly to establish a bible commonwealth, and banished "heretics" and dissenters. In Virginia, heresy was a capital offense punishable by death by burning. Quakers were particularly persecuted. People who were not orthodox Christians were not legally protected, could be denied civil rights and jailed. The founders of the new nation of the United States of America, conversant with extreme religious intolerance and violence in the several colonies, were determined to put an end to it. That is why they established state/church separation.
"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquillity [sic] of Musselmen... it is declared... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
-- 1797 U.S. treaty with Tripoli. This treaty was written under Washington's presidency, and it was ratified by Congress under President John Adams, signed by Adams.
By an Act of Congress, U.S. currency has carried the motto "In God We Trust" only since 1957.
The Pledge of Allegiance, first published in 1892, has included the words "under God" only since 1954.
In other words, Israel's theocracy (falsely called a "democracy" by some) can in no way be compared to the USA in matters of religion.
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Date: 2005-12-07 04:44 am (UTC)Now that you're done cut-n-pasting from your Google search...yes, I am guilty of being white. I never heard of "Kwanzaa" or "Winter Solstice" until the 90's when it became popular to be black and in touch with tribal ceremonies, or be a wiccan/pagan and resurrect ancient traditions. I don't have any Gallup polls to back this up, but I would imagine the only people who ever heard of these pseudo days of celebration and observance before 1990, are the people that participated in such events.
In other words, Israel's theocracy (falsely called a "democracy" by some) can in no way be compared to the USA in matters of religion
Thank you for proving my point. I wasn't comparing religions and countries, I simply said that if I was in Israel, I would be more apt to see "Happy Hannukah" sign, events, sale-a-brations, etc.
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Date: 2005-12-07 04:56 pm (UTC)You were talking about Israel while you currently live in the USA. You are implying a comparison by stating how it is in Israel. You were attempting to make a point.
You are not "guilty" of being white. You are guilty of not only not giving a fuck about non-white people (not so bad in itself), but actively dismissing/insulting some of their traditions on the basis of these traditions being relatively new. You are also guilty of being reactionary, one in hundreds of millions, a painfully typical American, who attempts being shocking in an always failed bid towards individuality. Good luck with that.
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Date: 2005-12-08 07:07 am (UTC)Let's stick with real holidays and not something started by the pagan equivalent of backwoods Kentucky snake handlers. Thanks.
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Date: 2005-12-08 07:54 pm (UTC)All ancient religions are Pagan. They were practiced on every continent and in very present country. Every single ethnic group, every culture culture, and all of your ancestors from that time period pretty much lived in a society that practiced some sort of Pagan religion. The greatest early examples of civilization prospered as Pagans before they found Christianity (if they did). It wasn't anti-Christian or anything then...it was before all that.
Examples:
Romans (who, before their conversion, ruled almost all of Europe and parts of Africa and Asia at their highest point, and who still hold the strongest part of the earliest Christian practices)
Celtics (from around the present UK)
Greeks
Mesopotamians
Egyptians
all Asian and Africans countries
all Native Americans, North and South...
They all had festivals or some type of holiday associated with the changing seasons, moon phases, and the harvest (all parts of nature). It is not a coincidence that many Christian holidays just happen to fall around these dates...it was already the custom to celebrate then.
I am not trying to prove that it is a superior religion or anything like that. I'm not a practicing Pagan. Just letting you know it wasn't some strange phenomenon found in a seperated part of unintelligent weirdos.
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Date: 2005-12-08 07:44 pm (UTC)The people who don't want to say Merry Christmas and don't want to heart it are non Christians, and as much as people try to make it so, this is NOT a Christian nation. This is a nation where the majority of people happen to be Christian, but it is NOT the national religion. Just like you don't want a Pagan coming up to you and wishing you a Happy Yule, Imbolc, Candlemas, whatever, they don't really want to hear about Christmas. Religion is a personal thing. Keep it between yourself and the other practitioners.
Do you think people should HAVE to say Merry Christmas?
The department store I work at, I guess, is just an equal-opportunity hater because we don't even MENTION holidays in or commercials, ads or our store (except for the uhh...Christmas section)..we just mention gifts in the ads, because that is what a department store is about. You spending your money there. They aren't there to help you feel happy about the season, and they shouldn't have to display Merry Christmas on a big banner at the front of the store like O'Reilly wants. The department store doesn't give a flying fuck about Jesus, they want your money.
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