Tis the Season

[megiloth.livejournal.com]

Since politically correct Christmas toons seem to go over well here, I figured what the heck...

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[megiloth.livejournal.com]

Christmas and Hannukah are legit holidays as far as most people are concerned. This newly discovered Kwanzaa or Winter Solstice stuff is just silly.

I'm no expert, but I bet if I lived in Israel, I would see lots of Happy Hannukah signs everywhere, and probably not a lot of Christmas celebrations. I wouldn't be offended. I hear it's a mostly Jewish country.

[choobie.livejournal.com]

"This newly discovered Kwanzaa or Winter Solstice stuff is just silly."

To you. You're white as snow - and like your religions ancient, just like those who killed Christians back in the Roman day.

Israel is a country where there are 2 tiers of citizenship. To fulfill the requirements for the higher level of citizenship, you must be Jewish. It's a Jewish nation.

The U.S. Constitution says that the United States was founded as a secular government, based on the authority of "We, the People," not a god, king, or dictator.

The word "God" appear in the U.S. Constitution zero times. The U.S. Constitution is a godless document.

The Declaration of Independence refer to Christianity or Jesus exactly zero times. There is no mention of Jesus, Christ, Christianity, religious persecution, or religious freedom in the Declaration of Independence.

The separation of church and state originated in the United States of America. The U.S.A. was the very first nation in history to separate church and state.

Roger Williams' Providence settlement founded in 1656 expressly guaranteed religious freedom. However, the Pilgrims originally were a tolerant people, when they founded Plymouth in 1620. By 1691, the Pilgrims had adopted the theocratic, intolerant Calvinism of the Puritans, who founded the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1628. The Puritans came to this land expressly to establish a bible commonwealth, and banished "heretics" and dissenters. In Virginia, heresy was a capital offense punishable by death by burning. Quakers were particularly persecuted. People who were not orthodox Christians were not legally protected, could be denied civil rights and jailed. The founders of the new nation of the United States of America, conversant with extreme religious intolerance and violence in the several colonies, were determined to put an end to it. That is why they established state/church separation.

"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquillity [sic] of Musselmen... it is declared... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
-- 1797 U.S. treaty with Tripoli. This treaty was written under Washington's presidency, and it was ratified by Congress under President John Adams, signed by Adams.

By an Act of Congress, U.S. currency has carried the motto "In God We Trust" only since 1957.

The Pledge of Allegiance, first published in 1892, has included the words "under God" only since 1954.

In other words, Israel's theocracy (falsely called a "democracy" by some) can in no way be compared to the USA in matters of religion.

[megiloth.livejournal.com]

To you. You're white as snow

Now that you're done cut-n-pasting from your Google search...yes, I am guilty of being white. I never heard of "Kwanzaa" or "Winter Solstice" until the 90's when it became popular to be black and in touch with tribal ceremonies, or be a wiccan/pagan and resurrect ancient traditions. I don't have any Gallup polls to back this up, but I would imagine the only people who ever heard of these pseudo days of celebration and observance before 1990, are the people that participated in such events.

In other words, Israel's theocracy (falsely called a "democracy" by some) can in no way be compared to the USA in matters of religion

Thank you for proving my point. I wasn't comparing religions and countries, I simply said that if I was in Israel, I would be more apt to see "Happy Hannukah" sign, events, sale-a-brations, etc.

[choobie.livejournal.com]

"I wasn't comparing religions and countries"

You were talking about Israel while you currently live in the USA. You are implying a comparison by stating how it is in Israel. You were attempting to make a point.

You are not "guilty" of being white. You are guilty of not only not giving a fuck about non-white people (not so bad in itself), but actively dismissing/insulting some of their traditions on the basis of these traditions being relatively new. You are also guilty of being reactionary, one in hundreds of millions, a painfully typical American, who attempts being shocking in an always failed bid towards individuality. Good luck with that.

[killgirlswatch.livejournal.com]

the Winter Solstice is an ancient holiday that was practiced way before Christianity was even a gleam in anyone's eyes. Just because YOU didn't know about it doesn't mean it hasn't been celebrated.

[megiloth.livejournal.com]

I'm sure some obscure sect observed a Winter Solstice way before the birth of Christ. As I'm sure ancient peoples feared thunder or fire and observed their occurances. Happy Thunder Day!!!

Let's stick with real holidays and not something started by the pagan equivalent of backwoods Kentucky snake handlers. Thanks.

[killgirlswatch.livejournal.com]

...?
All ancient religions are Pagan. They were practiced on every continent and in very present country. Every single ethnic group, every culture culture, and all of your ancestors from that time period pretty much lived in a society that practiced some sort of Pagan religion. The greatest early examples of civilization prospered as Pagans before they found Christianity (if they did). It wasn't anti-Christian or anything then...it was before all that.

Examples:
Romans (who, before their conversion, ruled almost all of Europe and parts of Africa and Asia at their highest point, and who still hold the strongest part of the earliest Christian practices)
Celtics (from around the present UK)
Greeks
Mesopotamians
Egyptians
all Asian and Africans countries
all Native Americans, North and South...
They all had festivals or some type of holiday associated with the changing seasons, moon phases, and the harvest (all parts of nature). It is not a coincidence that many Christian holidays just happen to fall around these dates...it was already the custom to celebrate then.

I am not trying to prove that it is a superior religion or anything like that. I'm not a practicing Pagan. Just letting you know it wasn't some strange phenomenon found in a seperated part of unintelligent weirdos.