Can we get a "leftwing bullshit" tag?

[zadok-allen.livejournal.com]

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[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Was Thomas Jefferson somehow not a philandering slave owner? "Just a teeny bit"?

And many a dad would have just kicked the door down and punched the kid. One reason I left home early.

[zadok-allen.livejournal.com]

Yeah, he oughta be getting extra credit for knowing the less-advertised aspect of TJ's life. I think NPR brings it up three or four times a year on The Jefferson Hour, hah.

[phildegrave]

Oh, you poor thing! Having to be reminded of an unpleasant historical fact three or four times a year! If only there was a news network for right wingers to go to be told only what they want to hear.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Next on Fox: Jefferson cannot be racist because he actually stuck his penis inside a black woman.

[phildegrave]

That's what Donald Sterling tried to tell his girlfriend.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

To be clear, is the cartoon left wing bullshit or is the subject of the cartoon left wing bullshit?

[zadok-allen.livejournal.com]

Specifically, the concepts of white guilt and safe space are what I consider to be leftwing bullshit. I think some may have gotten the idea that I have a problem with the criticism of TJ but that's certainly not the case; caricatures are for political cartoons, not history books. There are more learning opportunities in teaching that our early leaders were humans with faults.

In terms of the tag - I think there are plenty of opportunities to throw the bullshit flag on both sides of the political field, but currently there's only one flag.

[zadok-allen.livejournal.com]

Yeah, he oughta be getting extra credit for knowing the less-advertised aspect of TJ's life. I think NPR brings it up three or four times a year on The Jefferson Hour, hah.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Next On Nationalist Petroleum Radio, Thomas Jefferson, saint or benevolent savior?

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Man I listened to the most recent one. If they are trying to make Jefferson seem racist, they did a good job.

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

Can we get a "leftwing bullshit" tag?

I suppose you could get on your knees and beg one of the mods. I'm happy to second your wish, with a caveat. Because I wonder if you are reading things right? You seem to have missed the point rather. The child has bad grades for his work, which is childishly political. The father wants to discuss the bad grades. It seems you have the same level of childish political engagement: an inability to register nuance of any kind.

Can we have a "rightwing frothing-at-the-mouth, inability to read, parse, or comprehend" tag as well please mods? Just to balance things, you know, in the name of nuance.

[zadok-allen.livejournal.com]

I'm asking because as I was scrolling through tags I noticed there was a "rightwing bullshit" tag but no "leftwing bullshit" tag. Just to balance things, you know, in the name of nuance.

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

So, which bit of the admittedly unbalanced view of Jefferson is "bullshit"?

Was he a slave-owner?
Was he a philanderer?

The kid not wanting to talk about his report and using whoever excuses he can find is exclusively left-wing? Or that fact that he uses supposedly "left-wing" excuses. Excepting I see nothing about workers, capital, the bourgeoisie, or the apparatus of revolution: merely a wish to distance himself from racism.

Is anti-racism "left-wing"? Well in that case it seems the majority of folk in the developed world must be "left-wing": because it seems that most civilised folk subscribe to the notion that racism is a bad thing. No matter whether we accept privilege; elitism of other kinds; or economic advantage due to capital, inheritance, or whatever.

You see, to my mind, your criticism crosses the boundaries you set up for yourself. Especially as I would describe myself as a conservative of a kind.

[donkeyjon.livejournal.com]

I think he was referring to the last two panels. The idea is fleshed out in the most recent strip:

[blackdwarv.livejournal.com]

Ever notice how what people call "political correctness" these days was called "being polite" in our grandparents era?

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

Now you are calling all right-wing anti political-correctness people as unmannerly.

And I may just agree with you, with some exceptions, obvs.

[ponitacupcake.livejournal.com]

William F. Buckley for one, except for when he wanted to tattoo gay men on the ass.

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

An English boarding-school education can do that to you.

[ponitacupcake.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure it existed in my grandparents era. "PC" probably meant anything less racist than Archie Bunker.

Though I believe "PC" was originally a Maoist term that the 60's radical left adopted as a way of mocking their own smugness and then was discovered and perverted by the right into meaning "not being a bigoted assclown".

"SJW" is the new "PC".

[telemann.livejournal.com]

I was curious myself, and looked around online. It's a pretty recent word, used in the way most people are using it currently. According to Wiki, the word was first used in a rather limited way in relation to "dogmatic application of Stalinist doctrine, debated between Communist Party members and Socialists." while the word "politically correct" was used in the 1980s, what really got it wide spread use, was a New York Times article by Richard Bernstein:

The October 1990 New York Times article by Richard Bernstein (http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/28/weekinreview/ideas-trends-the-rising-hegemony-of-the-politically-correct.html?pagewanted=all) is described as influential in the term's development. At the time it's mainly mentioned in educational context: "Across the country the term p.c., as it is commonly abbreviated, is being heard more and more in debates over what should be taught at the universities." Nexis citations in "arcnews/curnews" reveal only seventy total citations in articles to "political correctness" for 1990; but one year later, after the Bernstein article, Nexis records 1532 citations, with a steady increase to more than 7000 citations by 1994.

The term had only scattered usage before the 1990s, usually as an ironic self-description, but entered more mainstream usage in the United States when it was the subject of a series of articles in The New York Times. The phrase was widely used in the debate about Allan Bloom's 1987 book The Closing of the American Mind, and gained further currency in response to Roger Kimball's Tenured Radicals (1990), and conservative author Dinesh D'Souza's 1991 book Illiberal Education, in which he condemned what he saw as liberal efforts to advance self-victimization, multiculturalism through language, affirmative action and changes to the content of school and university curriculums.

[immemor.livejournal.com]

That's fascinating. I don't ever recall hearing PC before the mid to late 90s.

[ponitacupcake.livejournal.com]

That's really interesting about how it entered mainstream usage.

[blackdwarv.livejournal.com]

Um. You missed the point.

Look. We don't call "cars" "horseless carriages" anymore. The term has changed even if the object being described is the same.

So, yes. "Trying to be welcoming and inclusive for all people, or at least not offensive to their face" was called "manners" in other times, but today gets called "PC" by people who cry out that things were better in their grandparents time.

Also, a "SJW" is an individual. "PC" is a social construct. You are completely off on that one too.

[ponitacupcake.livejournal.com]

> Um. You missed the point.

Maybe. I am not that clever sometimes. But I am afraid you are talking past me.

> Look.

One of the most patronizing phrases in the English language.

> So, yes. "Trying to be welcoming and inclusive for all people, or at least not offensive to their face" was called "manners" in other times, but today gets called "PC" by people who cry out that things were better in their grandparents time.

Except what was considered " welcoming and inclusive for all people" has changed. There is plenty of non-PC stuff that was considered OK by (white/straight/cis/etcetc) people at the time. I think our standards are higher now. I think we might be in agreement on that?

> Also, a "SJW" is an individual. "PC" is a social construct. You are completely off on that one too.

Nope. The terms are used (and criticized by the "PC/SJW" side) in the exact same way.

IDK, I don't really want to argue. If you are just talking past me (and I you) I don't want to do that either.

Bye.

[ponitacupcake.livejournal.com]

"Safe Space" lol. Bloom County is so brilliant.