Date: 2014-07-01 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Yes, well that's chicken. And notable dunderheads like the Palins made a big point about eating there. Because the love of Jeebus and hating gays goes together.

Hobby Lobby appeals to a more niche market. Instead of irritating a smaller group, they went after women, that 50% of the population group.

Date: 2014-07-01 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Hobby Lobby appeals to a more niche market. Instead of irritating a smaller group, they went after women, that 50% of the population group.

How does offering most contraceptives constitute going after women?

Date: 2014-07-01 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
100% of the users of IUD's and morning-after pills are women.

If Hobby Lobby really had principles, they'd probably stop those investments in abortion-related products and doing most of their buying from China, the land of forced abortions.

Date: 2014-07-01 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
100% of the users of IUD's and morning-after pills are women.

And? The point was their religious rights, it had nothing to do with the gender of who was using the contraceptives.

If Hobby Lobby really had principles, they'd probably stop those investments in abortion-related products and doing most of their buying from China, the land of forced abortions.

That's at least a reasonable criticism, even if it's irrelevant to this specific case.

Date: 2014-07-01 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
And? The point was their religious rights, it had nothing to do with the gender of who was using the contraceptives.

And a lot of men have abortions, I guess. That was the key, right? - abortifacients or something.

The irrational beliefs of an employer definitely should take precedence over the real, material health needs of women..

Date: 2014-07-01 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
And a lot of men have abortions, I guess. That was the key, right? - abortifacients or something.

Yes, abortifacients. If there's some sort of prescription that men can take that causes abortions, those would be opposed, too.

The irrational beliefs of an employer definitely should take precedence over the real, material health needs of women..

The beliefs of the employer, irrational or not, have no impact over the desired material health products of the women. Merely the funding of it.

Date: 2014-07-01 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
The beliefs of the employer, irrational or not, have no impact over the desired material health products of the women. Merely the funding of it.

But you know how the world goes: no funds, no goods and services.

Though, I presume this will be taken care of, and the taxpayers in general will likely pay for these Devil products.

Date: 2014-07-01 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
But you know how the world goes: no funds, no goods and services.

Sure. Thankfully, these people get wages for their work.

Though, I presume this will be taken care of, and the taxpayers in general will likely pay for these Devil products.

I don't see such a regulation getting out of the House.

Date: 2014-07-01 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
Tsk, tsk, more obstacle for poor voters,
and more obstacles for women - what a guy,
what a philosophy!

Go, Corporate, Go!

Date: 2014-07-01 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
That's at least a reasonable criticism, even if it's irrelevant to this specific case.

But doesn't it tell us something about the genuineness of their beliefs?

Date: 2014-07-01 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Not even a little bit. Their genuine belief involves direct action, not indirect.

Date: 2014-07-01 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
I bet you can keep a straight-face too.

Date: 2014-07-01 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
The truth is easy to tell.

Date: 2014-07-01 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
The trick is believing that there is one Great Truth,
which I find all the more awesome from an atheist.

Date: 2014-07-01 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Not "one Great Truth," but the idea that there is not a Right and Wrong on many/most issues doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Date: 2014-07-01 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
And? The point was their religious rights, it had nothing to do with the gender of who was using the contraceptives.

Funny how the exercise of religious rights always ends up being restrictions that affect only women. Or maybe funny is the wrong work and "telling" is the more correct word to use.

Date: 2014-07-01 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
A constant? An inevitability?

Date: 2014-07-01 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Patriarchy, misogyny, cultural traditions of viewing women as property.

Date: 2014-07-02 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
No, that's a bridge much too far.

Date: 2014-07-02 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
I can't help it if you want to defend things you don't understand. You want to fall back and claim some sort of biological essentialism but these religious traditions have their roots in a series of assumptions about human nature that are tribalistic and frankly backwards.

Date: 2014-07-02 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
I would imagine their market is heavily biased towards women too...

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