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[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

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[angelcerv25.livejournal.com]

Translation: they're just freeloading and dependent and lazy.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Incorrect.

[angelcerv25.livejournal.com]

This is what you yourself believe. You actually believe in the myth of the culture of dependency, which engenders contempt for the poor.

It doesn't matter that you disagree. You're still wrong.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Also incorrect.

[angelcerv25.livejournal.com]

I know you are.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

You keep editing, it makes it difficult.

The "culture of dependency" is real. It's a creation of the government, the same one that creates that underclass that you think I'm wrong about. But you have nothing to counter it with, which is probably more telling. Just the same type of mind reading that you're not any better at than others here.

[angelcerv25.livejournal.com]

I do edit a lot, bad habit, need to quit that.

And there is no culture of dependency. People don't wake up in the morning and think "I'm going to sit around and do nothing for my life." People actually want to move forward in life, try to do more than just survive. There's is psych research to support this.

Further, too many of those you assume are so dependent are already working. This is well known by now. Hence a firestorm over upping the minimum wage.

Further, not everyone is capable of being productive. Most of those receiving our social safety net frayed bits are elderly, disabled, and children.

Further, I question the amount of "opportunity" present in the system. All the money went to the top, yet I never hear you bitch about corporate welfare.

What's more telling is how you think about and see your fellow man - in such an awful fashion. It's what makes me feel so sorry for you, as I've said before.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

And there is no culture of dependency.

I think it's overstated by some, but it is real.

Further, too many of those you assume are so dependent are already working. This is well known by now. Hence a firestorm over upping the minimum wage.

The firestorm about the minimum wage is not related to the dependency issue. The firestorm about the minimum wage is about the best way to handle those wages and the benefits/drawbacks to increasing it.

Further, not everyone is capable of being productive. Most of those receiving our social safety net frayed bits are elderly, disabled, and children.

And those aren't the people we're talking about.

Further, I question the amount of "opportunity" present in the system. All the money went to the top, yet I never hear you bitch about corporate welfare.

You mustn't be listening much to me in those areas, then. I'm generally opposed to all welfare.

What's more telling is how you think about and see your fellow man - in such an awful fashion. It's what makes me feel so sorry for you, as I've said before.

You have not demonstrated enough knowledge about my feelings about my fellow man to say this.

[angelcerv25.livejournal.com]

"You have not demonstrated enough knowledge about my feelings about my fellow man to say this."

I only go off what you say. We've been through this song and dance many times. You actually believe in the myth of the culture of dependency. This myth engenders contempt for the poor across society - makes it humiliating to use food stamps at the grocery store, for example. You are complicit in that, and it makes you look ethically bankrupt from my perspective.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I only go off what you say.

You don't. You go off what you perceive.

You actually believe in the myth of the culture of dependency.

It's not a myth, however. We've fostered a situation where people are absolutely reliant on the government, and are proud to do so. It's not just the poor.

[angelcerv25.livejournal.com]

Blah bleep blah bloop blah. No one is "proud" to rely on anyone else. It's humiliating and degrading. God you're so fucking out of touch.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I mean, look back in the archives of this very community. People are proud to have all sorts of public assistance, from rods and schools to even unemployment and welfare. It's absolutely a culture of dependency. You don't have to believe it, but it's still there.

[angelcerv25.livejournal.com]

Oh you define schools and roads and those things as part of the culture of dependency? Holy hell....

Well, I'm not sure how to dance this dance then. Not sure whether to laugh or cry.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

Don't worry, Jeff is going to pave his own roads, and treat his own sewage and shovel his own damn snow. No stinkin' gooberment for him!