Date: 2014-06-20 06:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
Anti abortion laws are anti-women.

Or have you not heard of the GOP trend to fight against Roe v Wade every single chance they get?

Date: 2014-06-21 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
Actually, anti-abortion laws are pro women, because abortion is very damaging to a woman physically and psychologically.

Date: 2014-06-21 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
That's incorrect.
I am personally friends with women who have had an abortion, they are fine, physically and psychologically.

Next you'll tell me that being gay is a choice.

You're our own little Jim Cramer. Anything you say, odds are, the opposite is the case.

Date: 2014-06-21 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
And I am personally a woman. First of all how many women you are friends with? Second, what makes you think that they were honest with you. Third, when we say something in general doesn't mean that it is true in every single case, but the most. And finally "experts" say that, you believe the experts, right?
In the battle of Martin Luther and Erasmus of Rotterdam, I tend to go with Erasmus.
As far as Cramer is concerned, you are not qualified to make the call, though are an expert on everything.

Date: 2014-06-21 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
Have you had an abortion? Did it physically and psychologically scar you?

How many women I am friends with is irrelevant. I offered an anecdote, it's true. You didn't even offer an anecdote. You didn't offer a citation. You didn't back up your idiotic claim with anything.

I have no idea what the Martin Luther and Erasmus comment is about.

And you completely failed to give me any reason to respond to you. I probably won't do that anymore. Ta-Ta. Maybe you can learn from others here, but I feel like it's not worth my energy. It is my assessment that you are incapable of having a meaningful discussion about just about anything.

Date: 2014-06-21 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
My God, how I'm going to survive that?
You don't know what Martin Luther and Erasmus discussion is about? Maybe you aren't an expert after all.
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Date: 2014-06-21 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Meh, he has a degree in philosophy, and posts in an altered consciousness at least half the time, so he really could be an expert...on something.

Date: 2014-06-22 04:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
I heard about you. I think you don't have too many fans around here.
Actually, all the liberals are experts on everything, everybody else is just ignorant. E.g. if they say that love their children, they only show their ignorance.

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Date: 2014-06-22 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelcerv25.livejournal.com
I've helped women get abortions, and in my own small experience, they were all happy and relieved they did it, not sad. Around half were already mothers.

Date: 2014-06-21 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
Abortion may be damaging, but pregnancy is far more damaging.

Date: 2014-06-21 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
Pregnancy is the best thing that could ever happen to a woman. Trust me.

Date: 2014-06-21 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complications_of_pregnancy

Date: 2014-06-21 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelcerv25.livejournal.com
Children = surest route to poverty.

Date: 2014-06-21 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
That's an interesting view. Why the heck I need money if not for my children?

Date: 2014-06-22 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelcerv25.livejournal.com
Because before the children, chances are we were barely getting by as it is. Having children is the most economically stupid thing you could do in today's fierce struggle to survive. There is absolutely nothing that will drive you into debt and poverty faster. Except maybe like a catastrophic illness, but at least there's a (shitty) insurance market to try to address that...
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Date: 2014-06-22 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
"There is absolutely nothing that will drive you into debt and poverty faster".

Well, except maybe (probably) gambling, drugs or alcohol.

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Date: 2014-06-22 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
Have you ever been in Africa or Asia, or even Central America? If not, then you have no idea about "struggle to survive".

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Date: 2014-06-22 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
Do you think your mother should of have an abortion?

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Date: 2014-06-21 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelcerv25.livejournal.com
And I have never read such an asinine, ignorant comment.

Date: 2014-06-21 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
Geezer_Also once argued that marijuana needs to remain illegal because cops couldn't bust people on the serious charges, so when someone is charged with rape and possession of marijuana, the rape might be harder to prove, but we easily lockem up for pot!

No, seriously. That was a line of argument I got out of him once. I was, to say the least, flabbergasted.

Date: 2014-06-21 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
citation needed...since that is an extremely loose interpretation of the discussion I remember.

Date: 2014-06-22 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelcerv25.livejournal.com
Or just admit if this really is your position, and we'll all sit back and laugh.

If not, feel free to clarify while I hit my bong.

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Date: 2014-06-21 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
You don't know what you're talking about. What this has to do with ignorance? Most of the women live for their children and it is an attitude. Ask your mother.

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Date: 2014-06-22 07:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelcerv25.livejournal.com
My mother threw me in a dumpster. I grew up in group homes. You're an ignorant fool and you only speak for yourself and you know it. Stop acting like you know what anyone else would want. Because it's certainly not fucking children.
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