Date: 2014-02-14 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Right on!

Old VD "cartoon":

Image (http://www.npr.org/2011/02/14/133693152/the-dark-origins-of-valentines-day)
Edited Date: 2014-02-14 06:25 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-02-14 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
I have to say that to me justice means punishment. It means vindication. It is the antithesis of forgiveness. So, I always found it weird that proponents of social equality chose that instead of a warmer word.

Date: 2014-02-14 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
righteousness sounds scary too. I do understand their intended meaning. I just get this picture of the Social Justice Warriors, putting people to the sword for their disagreeable words, etc etc. Not a great picture.

Like I said, I do get the intended meaning, and its appropriate in the social way, just the word justice seems harsh to me. We will fix the world FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!!

Date: 2014-02-14 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Justice meaning fairness and morally right. The just and unjust....

Date: 2014-02-14 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Yeah I do realize there's other meanings for it, and especially after people started using it in the social context. It just still sounds overly aggressive to me.

Date: 2014-02-14 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
Justice does not always equate to punishment. If we go by Lord British's understanding of it, it is the meeting of Love with Truth.

I mean, if you think video games have anything to say about morality. ;)

http://ultima.wikia.com/wiki/The_Tale_of_Jaana_and_the_Goblin

http://ultima.wikia.com/wiki/Eight_Virtues
Edited Date: 2014-02-14 08:59 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-02-14 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Richard Garriott is a hippie.

Date: 2014-02-17 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
Yea, but he's a SPACE hippie.

Date: 2014-02-14 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
Nothing a good ol' dictionary couldn't clear up for you.

Date: 2014-02-14 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Your condescension is noted. Appreciate it, good buddy.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/justice?s=t

None of that disagrees with me.

Date: 2014-02-15 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
Your condescension is noted.

I'm just trying to engage you at a level you'll understand.

None of that disagrees with me.

Doesn't really support your view, either, which was kind of the point I was making.

Date: 2014-02-15 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Your attack is really immature. Are you really so butthurt I wouldn't agree with you? Get over it.

Date: 2014-02-15 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
And it's "mature" to accuse someone of being "butthurt?"

I could have engaged you, here, by explaining why your conception of "justice" was simply and obviously mistaken. What our other conversation made clear, however, was that not only would you not be swayed by any kind of rational discussion of the point, you would scarcely be able to even understand the things I might say to demonstrate as much. So, rather than waste my time (again) responding to you like you were an intelligent adult, I responded to you in a way that was more concise and flip. More efficient for me, more suitable for your level of competence.

Now, you can be "butthurt" about that, if you like, though I think your sanity would be better served learning to accept your cognitive limitations.

Date: 2014-02-15 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
My concept of justice, as I explained to those who aren't holding a grudge, is based on my feeling about the word, though I understand their intended meaning. If you're just going to be hostile forever because omg I wouldn't see things your way, just don't talk to me anymore.

Date: 2014-02-14 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
I like Cornel West. A lot. He is, by and large, great.

I cannot agree with that quote, however.

Probably because West and I would disagree over "God is love" and just what the hell is Love anyway. So I'm sorry, but I'mma have to downvote this.

What's this? No voting system. Oh shit, this isn't reddit. *runs away after leaving quote*

I love you. No sentence from a judge could be more threatening. It means that I am giving you a gift you may not want. I am making it very easy for you to injure me - if I am not making it inevitable - and in that way controlling your behavior. It means I want you as an adjunct to my life, or it means that I can survive like mistletoe or moss: only on the side of someone. It means that one way or other I intend to own you."

-William H. Gass


Date: 2014-02-15 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
Always the intellectual.... ;)

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