Date: 2012-10-25 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
I wish Obama was a better president about this. It's a blight on his legacy.

Date: 2012-10-25 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
among other things. But the drone thing... not good.

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Date: 2012-10-25 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
Unfortunately, social issues are about the only thing that distinguishes him from Romney.

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Date: 2012-10-26 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
Dude, I never thought I'd see your mind boggled by something.
I imagine this close-up onto the country house featured in The Godfather, going through a window...and you're looking at a laptop, all head-tilty. And going "Wut?!?" repeatedly.
Wouldn't blame you, either.

Date: 2012-10-25 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
Agreed. It's probably the one major thing that really bothers me about Obama - and unfortunately is something that none of the major viable candidates would be willing to change.

What really floors me is Gibbs' just bald-faced callousness about the whole thing. Not even a "well, it was a regrettable mistake." Just straight up "Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs!" heartlessness.

Date: 2012-10-25 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Should have had a smarter father... or whatever.

Date: 2012-10-25 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebigbadbutch.livejournal.com
I wish Obama were a better president.

Date: 2012-10-25 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
I wish we had better alternatives.

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Date: 2012-10-25 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mamculuna.livejournal.com
I have very mixed feelings about him. I didn't expect him to walk on water, but I did think he'd be better on things like this.

Date: 2012-10-25 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i.livejournal.com
If someone is a pacifist, that's great, although not realistic in the world we live in. If one recognizes the sad necessity for violence in today's world, one should also recognize that the percentage of innocent deaths under the drone program is far below that of any other means we have used to combat those who would destroy us. If you believe that a complete cessation of all military activity by the United States against terrorist organizations would have a positive effect, please explain your position. If you think you have a better way of combating them, please explain that as well.

Date: 2012-10-25 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
do you disagree with the position that the kind of war we're fighting now has at least equal chances to create radical terrorists who hate the united states as kill them? Why fight a zero sum game?

Date: 2012-10-25 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i.livejournal.com
yes I do disagree with that premise.

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Date: 2012-10-25 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i.livejournal.com
Should the US have refrained from attacking Nazi Germany for fear that innocents might die?

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Date: 2012-10-25 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
So, you prefer Romney?

Date: 2012-10-26 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
What's great about your argument is that you can't ethically vote for Gary Johnson either. Voting for any POTUS is unethical and therefore makes one Hitlerbot 3.1

I don't think you thought your cunning plan all the way through.

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Date: 2012-10-26 06:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
Combatant in a war zone?
Warzone is in a country that has asked/agreed to have drone strikes to help rid them of their militants?

No. Sympathy.
Nature is war.
War is a bitch.

Date: 2012-10-26 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
No. I'm a realist.
The world is not a nice place.

Date: 2012-10-26 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
Sure!

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/27/us_perceives_tacit_consent_from_pakistan_on_drone_strikes

Further:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/10/21/about-those-billions.html

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Date: 2012-10-26 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
So we just handwave every death of NON-combatants in this "war zone?"

I mean, hell, even I'll admit that in any war we are going to have some collateral damage. But the proper response is to REGRET the collateral damage, maybe even try harder going forward to do better at limiting it.

Not say: "OH WELL THEM'S THE BREAKS!" and just keep on bombing willy-nilly.

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