Re: *shakes head*

Date: 2010-09-16 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammygoliath.livejournal.com
A 1999 US Department of Justice analysis of the potential militia threat at the Millennium conceded that the vast majority of militias were reactive (not proacrive) and posed no threat.[14]

From wikipedia:

As of 2001, the militia movement seemed to be in decline, having peaked in 1996 with 858 groups.[15] Even the Michigan Militia (with which McVeigh and the Nichols brothers had grown frustrated due to its seeming preference for talk over action)[16] disbanded. Prior to that, it had kicked out its most radical members in the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing; they formed the North American Militia, whose leaders, Brad Metcalf and Randy Graham, later received 40- and 55-year sentences, respectively, for terrorist plots against the IRS and federal officials.

Militias' primary forms of outreach are gun shows, shortwave radio, newsletters, and the Internet.[17]

mind you, the vast majorities of MILITIAS, that's not even Christians we're talking about.

AND?

Date: 2010-09-16 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com

This somehow negates the many examples of PROACTIVE militias?

As for the reactive: that's right, they're biding their time, waiting for a real opportunity or overwhelming stimulus.
Like, say, the epic butthurt that will result in the Teaparty's losses in November.

Re: AND?

Date: 2010-09-16 08:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammygoliath.livejournal.com
I don't like to accuse people of being fear mongers, but yes, you are a fear monger. "Biding they're [sic] time" for a really BIG stimulus? Geesh, you'd have thought one of these groups would have found the last stimulus big enough.

Wait... what?

Date: 2010-09-16 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
Seriously?

The term 'stimulus' does not refer just to 'government spending to stimulate economic activity'.

It's glaringly obvious that in the context in which I used it I meant that they're waiting for a trigger (ie, a stimulus). Examples: sweeping anti-gun legislation; major disaster that reduces ability of Fed to respond; Crackdowns on militias; Major right wing political losses. Etc.

Re: Wait... what?

Date: 2010-09-16 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammygoliath.livejournal.com
well FORGIVE ME for not reading your GLARINGLY OBVIOUS mind!

Re: Wait... what?

Date: 2010-09-16 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
Whether you're troll or moron, it's become clear that this is a waste of my time.

Re: Wait... what?

Date: 2010-09-16 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
I don't think right wing losses at polls would do it. We've already largely expunged electronic voting since Bush's last two selections.

I"m sure a gun ban would serve as a trigger for many. Oddly, Obama has no intention of pushing or advocating such a ban. I'm pretty sure the Tea Party will never be anything more than a source of ineffective energy and embarrassment for the GOP, like the hippies were for the Dems in the 1960s

Re: Wait... what?

Date: 2010-09-16 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
I think it really depends on the strength of the violent-reaction-stimulus (ie, gun ban) and the perceived strength of the fed to respond (ie, zombie apocalypse, financial collapse, or other massive catastrophe) for most militias to activate.

All highly unlikely, so we're probably safe from most militia violence for now.

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