I know plenty of Christians who are good and decent people. The religious right is not these people, down to the brokest, bitterest footsoldier.
If we condemn Islam for not repudiating the terrorists claiming it as their religion, we can also condemn Xtianity for not casting out these vengeful pharisees.
I think that anybody arguing for greater understanding and tolerance of Islam should also try to understand that there are many different branches of Christianity, and almost all are tolerant, inviting, and forgiving. It's the same argument, and it deserves to be said.
Also, I've heard the argument presented in the second panel, and it is the most illogical, infuriating, and ridiculous argument available today.
It is unnecessary to condemn all Muslims in general for a completely over-reported incident which has nothing to do with them.
In general, people know that you shouldn't condemn all of Christianity for a few fruitloops, but they're making a point by saying it that you should think of Islam similarly.
The previous commenter was saying that condemnation of general "Xtianity" is somehow deserved if Islamic communities fail to condemn terrorists. I think that's apples and oranges.
But to answer your question, Christians are not being condemned. They are subject to ridicule and heckled anonymously, (flying spaghetti monster is my very favorite and delicious example... I was touched many years ago...) but so is everybody and that's fair and they can take it.
To make it easier, Could you please use this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members to point to me which denominations are intolerant, uninviting, or unforgiving?
1) Roman Catholics invite everybody to their masses. If they think the other sects should convert, well, that's pretty inviting to. They have internal problems, but being uninviting or intolerant or unforgiving doesn't seem to be among them.
2) Protestants seem to be less centrally organized, and their churches probably vary a great deal, but I've never heard of them turning people away or being intolerant to new religions.
3) Jehovah's Witnesses are unforgiving, it's true, but they are so goddamn inviting at 6 on a Sunday, so maybe it evens out?
As for the other ones, those can be scary. Small percentage of the whole population though.
If Terry Jones and a sizable church of dedicated followers were on a mission to destroy every Qur'an in the world it would be a valid comparison, but even his own church condemns him.
Of course we're ridiculing right wing whackjob Taliban Christian soldiers.
What I'm asking for is even a little effort on the part of mainstream Christians to repudiate the radical extremists from their ranks. I see no sign of this, so I get to tar all Christians as an inherently violent, intolerant religion that we'd all be better off without.
Of course they inviting people to their masses. They're all trying to Sell you something. They'd be idiots to not try to recruit for their softball team.
Besides, the Mormons got it right. I believe South Park on all things like a good ironic skeptic internet jockey.
You want mainstream christians? I'll give you the vatican: http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/national/vatican-says-koran-buring-would-be-outrageous-newscore-20100908
Or if you like, evangelicals, like Terry says he is: http://www.worldevangelicals.org/news/article.htm?id=3074&cat=main
Later Day Saints: http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/church-statement-on-the-burning-of-the-koran
Quote: myself: In general, people know that you shouldn't condemn all of Christianity for a few fruitloops, but they're making a point by saying it that you should think of Islam similarly.
But since I gave it to you, you should give it to me. Did violence occur due to Terry Jones' ridiculous publicity stunt? Yep. Did it happen in the US? ummm... please show me.
I disagree because I don't think that the comparison of Terry and Christianity to terrorists and Islam is fair due to the vast difference in magnitude.
"If we condemn Islam for not repudiating the terrorists claiming it as their religion, we can also condemn Xtianity for not casting out these vengeful pharisees."
S/he's calling the mainstream of both religions out on failing to expunge their respective weaponized-versions by drawing a comparison between the two.
Ok, use the abortion bombers, or the Lords Resistance Army terrorists, or the crusaders, or the inquisition, or whatever you think would be similar, I don't care and it doesn't matter.
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Date: 2010-09-14 12:15 am (UTC)I know plenty of Christians who are good and decent people. The religious right is not these people, down to the brokest, bitterest footsoldier.
If we condemn Islam for not repudiating the terrorists claiming it as their religion, we can also condemn Xtianity for not casting out these vengeful pharisees.
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Date: 2010-09-14 12:23 am (UTC)Also, I've heard the argument presented in the second panel, and it is the most illogical, infuriating, and ridiculous argument available today.
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Date: 2010-09-14 12:28 am (UTC)The nation has very soundly condemned the book burners.
It is unnecessary to condemn all Christians in general for a completely over-reported incident which has nothing to do with them.
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Date: 2010-09-14 12:38 am (UTC)In general, people know that you shouldn't condemn all of Christianity for a few fruitloops, but they're making a point by saying it that you should think of Islam similarly.
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Date: 2010-09-14 12:56 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-14 01:01 am (UTC)The New Golden Rule:
Do unto all Christianity what a few nutty pastors would have done against Muslims.
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Date: 2010-09-14 01:06 am (UTC)But to answer your question, Christians are not being condemned. They are subject to ridicule and heckled anonymously, (flying spaghetti monster is my very favorite and delicious example... I was touched many years ago...) but so is everybody and that's fair and they can take it.
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Date: 2010-09-14 01:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-14 01:18 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-14 01:40 am (UTC)2) Protestants seem to be less centrally organized, and their churches probably vary a great deal, but I've never heard of them turning people away or being intolerant to new religions.
3) Jehovah's Witnesses are unforgiving, it's true, but they are so goddamn inviting at 6 on a Sunday, so maybe it evens out?
As for the other ones, those can be scary. Small percentage of the whole population though.
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Date: 2010-09-14 02:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-14 02:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-14 02:33 am (UTC)TalibanChristian soldiers.What I'm asking for is even a little effort on the part of mainstream Christians to repudiate the radical extremists from their ranks. I see no sign of this, so I get to tar all Christians as an inherently violent, intolerant religion that we'd all be better off without.
Its only what we're asking of Islam, right?
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Date: 2010-09-14 02:36 am (UTC)Besides, the Mormons got it right. I believe South Park on all things like a good ironic skeptic internet jockey.
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Date: 2010-09-14 02:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-14 03:10 am (UTC)http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/national/vatican-says-koran-buring-would-be-outrageous-newscore-20100908
Or if you like, evangelicals, like Terry says he is:
http://www.worldevangelicals.org/news/article.htm?id=3074&cat=main
Later Day Saints:
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/church-statement-on-the-burning-of-the-koran
do you need more links or is that enough?
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Date: 2010-09-14 03:16 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-14 03:16 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-14 03:19 am (UTC)I disagree because I don't think that the comparison of Terry and Christianity to terrorists and Islam is fair due to the vast difference in magnitude.
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Date: 2010-09-14 03:21 am (UTC)Really? That's the only part of that sentence you read?
Date: 2010-09-14 03:37 am (UTC)S/he's calling the mainstream of both religions out on failing to expunge their respective weaponized-versions by drawing a comparison between the two.
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Date: 2010-09-14 03:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-14 03:40 am (UTC)'XD
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Date: 2010-09-14 03:50 am (UTC)no subject
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