A Catholic Priest with ties to Obama speaking at Trinity Church in Chicago

[ltmurdoch.livejournal.com]

Aw, Christ! Here we go again! I swear, Obama would be wise to just burn down his church. It'll only cause trouble for him. Plus, apparently it's just full of people who hate us white folks just because we're white.

Ya gotta see it to believe it...

Comments

[homais.livejournal.com]

I don't see the controversy here. Ok, the guy talks like an asshole, but saying that white people still benefit from the legacies of slavery and that a lot of us are really, really entitled, isn't exactly mindblowing. Controversial, yes, but not exactly hate speech. Do you really think that's the same as "hating us white folks just because we're white"?

And just what 'ties' does this preacher have to Obama?

Anyway, I dunno, I'm sure if you want to be offended, you probably will be. But you wanna make this sound like it's going to be the next scandal.

Yawn. Go back to your bridge, troll.

[universalradio.livejournal.com]

IAWTC

[wight1984.livejournal.com]

Agreed.

I didn't like the style he used to preach, but nothing he said was so outrageous.

Choosing to benefit from other people's immoral deeds is not exactly great going. It's like learning that the money you inherited from a parent was stolen from someone; the moral thing to do would seem to be to give the money back to the person who it was stolen from, and if they're dead, then their next of kin (or, if none can be traced, perhaps a charity).

And that white people tend to (on average) have more severe entitlement complexes than most other people is hardly a radical or silly thought.

[ltmurdoch.livejournal.com]

OK, assuming you're white...

To whom are you going to give your money (that includes all your future earnings and savings by the way)? C'mon, you're white, clearly you benefited by the sins of your ancestors. So, give it up.

That's what it sounds like to me. If that sounds ok to you, please tell me what I'm missing.

Now, if he were talking specifically about the owners of the cotton growers, tobacco companies, and other industries that profited off the backs of slaves, that might make more sense. But now that cotton company is publicly traded and is partially owned by the endowment of the NAACP. Which means if you levy a penalty on the cotton company, it's actually taking money from the NAACP. Perhaps philosophically it makes sense (e.g. you inherit stolen money) but it's not that clean and it cannot be done fairly. And to me, two wrongs don't make a right.

And, also, what do you think of his portrayal of Hillary as a racist? Not outrageous?

[a-view-so-cruel.livejournal.com]

I don't think whites are the ones with entitlement issues in the whole "race war"(tm) scenario.

[ltmurdoch.livejournal.com]

Troll? Me? Really? Hmmmm.

I don't want this to be the next scandal. I voted for Obama. I just think this looks bad, sounds bad, and makes me feel uncomfortable at best. In fact, it makes me feel hated by all those who are cheering in that congregation.

He says I have to give up my 401K to make amends for what my race did in previous generations. Money that I earned and put away. I honestly don't know if I come from slave owners or not, but if I did, no financial benefits made it down to me. To me, this sounds like he's saying the only way for the black community to rise up and be more successful is to tear down the white race. Sounds pretty racist and hateful to me.

Then he says that "White entitlement and supremacy must be pointed out wherever it rears its ugly head," and then he goes right into Hillary feeling entitled to the nomination. As if she feels entitled to it because she's white! Not because she's a calculating political insider who was considered the insurmountable front runner since 2006. And he says she's pissed because she's being beaten by a black man. As if she'd be all smiles if John Edwards was the front-runner. Puuuuuhhh-leeeeez!

As far as Barack's ties to this guy, according to this (http://www.slate.com/id/2188414/) "In April 2004, Barack Obama told a reporter from the Chicago Sun-Times that he had three spiritual mentors or counselors: Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks, and Father Michael Pfleger (the guy in this video)." So, taken at face value, it's a reasonably close tie.

Anyway, it got my blood boiling a little. Thought I'd share and see what y'all thought.

[labetephoque.livejournal.com]

He says I have to give up my 401K to make amends for what my race did in previous generations. Money that I earned and put away. I honestly don't know if I come from slave owners or not, but if I did, no financial benefits made it down to me. To me, this sounds like he's saying the only way for the black community to rise up and be more successful is to tear down the white race. Sounds pretty racist and hateful to me.

He's not saying that at all. What he said is that, unless we give up all of the benefits derivative to our being white, then we need to own up to the racial injustices that still exist in society. If I may interpret: white people have a duty to bring about racial equality, be it through giving up our privileges or through helping blacks gain the same opportunities as we have enjoyed. So, it's everybody down or everybody up, not whites up and blacks down or whites down and blacks up.

[a-view-so-cruel.livejournal.com]

Oh but of course you're a troll! I mean you have these radical ideas about it being unfair that some people still think whites are to blame for every problem in the black community!
And the REALLY trollish thing, that you think that when the church a presidential nominee goes to spews a lot of racist hate crap, it sort of looks bad for said nominee.
Can you imagine if Hillary was found to frequent a racist anti-black church. The media would have a field day.
But no, anti white sentiment just pushes the "GUILT" button a lot of whites have and so it's not okay to question. Therefore you clearly = troll.

[ladypolitik.livejournal.com]

Then he says that "White entitlement and supremacy must be pointed out wherever it rears its ugly head," and then he goes right into Hillary feeling entitled to the nomination. As if she feels entitled to it because she's white! Not because she's a calculating political insider who was considered the insurmountable front runner since 2006. And he says she's pissed because she's being beaten by a black man. As if she'd be all smiles if John Edwards was the front-runner. Puuuuuhhh-leeeeez!

On calculated politics/exploitive racist rhetoric: The reality of your hypothetical scenario is that had Edwards and Clinton been the two remaining Democratic candidates, Clinton would simply not have repeatedly argued that the strength of her hypothetical candidacy during the general election comes from the fact that Edwards' support among "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans [is weak] (http://www.newsweek.com/id/136171)." A direct quote that's cringe-worthy for at least two reasons (not gonna get into that, though).

Let's be frank. Clinton wouldn't have framed her case this way against Edwards. He's white. A white dude with southern, blue-colour roots, to boot. There would NOT have been any use in exploiting issues of race against another white candidate. Not in this context, anyway.

In less evasive terms, Clinton actually argued that Obama can't win because he's black. There's no denying this, for when it proved to be an ineffective campaign stump point, Senator Clinton began to profusely apologize for ever implying this.

On entitlement and supremacy: Unfortunately, Senator Clinton really did become wrapped up in a sense of entitlement to the nomination, in ways she didn't when the primaries began (perhaps as a result of non-stop predictions that, like McCain, she would win her party's nomination with no challenge whatever). As a result, when Barack turned out surprising sweep victories starting in February, Hillary--or perhaps the idiots she refuses to fire from her campaign-writing team--gradually began to turn to exploiting still-existing, white supremacist-driven fear/hysteria in America, and precisely because a half-black dude was increasingly out-lasting all of the other Democratic candidates.

The senator and her campaign staff were fully aware that in some voter jurisdictions, long-life white Democrats claimed they would vote for McCain if Obama became the Democratic nominee, solely because they can't get over internet myths about his being some foreign-born Muslim, and yes, his being part black. (No, really (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0CnJ6UuIJb4). I mean like, seriously (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q4MDQ0cDI).)


Conclusion?

Of course Senator Clinton would not have been all smiles had she been running against Senator Edwards instead of Senator Obama.

No disagreement there, but nor is this the true point of focus--which is that the degree to which racist hang-ups among some voters would have been exploited during Senator Clinton's campaign really was determined by whether or not she would end up going toe-to-toe with a candidate who happens to be partly black.

That's "all" there is to it.

[drivebyluna.livejournal.com]

As far as I know Obama isn't catholic as well.

[head-splitter.livejournal.com]

-grabs the popcorn for another round of race debates-

[ladypolitik.livejournal.com]

Okay, so where are the political cartoons, again?

[ltmurdoch.livejournal.com]

I know, I know. Sorry. There just haven't been many good ones lately.

Cue the feed...

[lordremo.livejournal.com]

(http://pics.livejournal.com/lordremo/pic/0009ksyt/)


Well, you asked for one, they've been sparse and this was the best I could find.

[a-view-so-cruel.livejournal.com]

I don't know why anyone's surprised at the rampant racism at a church like that.

[star-cabaret.livejournal.com]

why do you say "rampant racism"?

[rabid-chemist.livejournal.com]

So this Catholic priest is calling for people to be held responsible for the deeds of their ancestors. Like, say, the Spanish Inquisition?

[camac.livejournal.com]

LOL I should sue the Catholic church for the trauma of my ancestors.

[camac.livejournal.com]

Its a fucking church who cares what they say in there. All churches are lunacy.

[fragbert.livejournal.com]

THIS.

[mishdogg.livejournal.com]

I've never heard of this guy, but I love what he said about Hillary. She really did think she could just walk into the oval office, like she was entitled to it, and she was blindsided by the momentum the Obama campaign built up. What IS offensive is how Hillary will say ANYTHING just to get her way.

[j0kerr.livejournal.com]

And it appears that Obama is now saying ANYTHING to get his way.

[star-cabaret.livejournal.com]

aside from my disgust with his mimicking of Pentecostal/charismatic style, what he said isn't that crazy.

"wigger" is a term i've heard before, and i think it's appropriate

[dustyasymptotes.livejournal.com]

lol. yeah. canada, that magical place with no racism or discrimination.