[identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] politicartoons


From Matt Bors:

Today's cartoon by Gordon Campbell is such a piece of crap I feel the need to remark. First, the concept is complete hackery. Fortune cookies are supposed to tell the future, not things currently happening--it doesn't make sense.

The visual implies the only thing he even knows about Chinese people is that they put a fortune cookie in your Chow Mein at the Chinese take out place down the street from his office. Couldn't he come up with a better way to say "There was an Earthquake is China"? Since people already know that what's the point of this comic? In case you haven't turned on a television or looked at a newspaper, he was nice enough to write "China" on the cookie. This looks like an illustration that would accompany an article about the earthquake, not an editorial cartoon--it adds no commentary, no opinion, and no joke. Nothing. It shouldn't exist.

The font is horrible. The gradient is horrible. It contains no drawing whatsoever. Where did he get the image from? The very first result in a Google image search for "fortune cookie." Although he has mastered Photoshop enough to flip the original image.

Are there any standards in this profession?

Date: 2008-05-15 07:03 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-05-15 07:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neonleonb.livejournal.com
It could be last week's fortune cookie....

Date: 2008-05-15 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] head-splitter.livejournal.com
Haha, I love the commentary.

Date: 2008-05-15 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jacklennirvana.livejournal.com
Yes, one: piss off lafinjack. It's good to see a cartoonist who's up to snuff.

I agree, though. Without the racist font it could probably have been on TIME or something, but it still would've been dumb.

Date: 2008-05-16 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aerorhcp.livejournal.com
heh racist fonts

Date: 2008-05-15 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madali.livejournal.com
haha, i like how IT IS the first image in google images. I wish I had such an easy job

Date: 2008-05-15 08:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geckoman.livejournal.com
Well, it has been a long time since I've gotten an actual 'fortune' in my fortune cookies...seems like all they have these days are just pithy observations, like, 'The weather is beautiful today.'

Date: 2008-05-15 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orangepeel.livejournal.com
That's good logic that I agree with. And by that logic, and the fortune cookie in context, it is accurate, lol.

Date: 2008-05-26 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desidono.livejournal.com
Your icon, ftw.

Date: 2008-05-15 08:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
What I'm interested in is how well China gets aid and relief to its people, as a contrast to Burma's response to the cyclone, or the US response to hurricane Katrina.

My guess is they'll do rather better than either.

It's one thing shaming Myanmar....

Date: 2008-05-15 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donkeyjon.livejournal.com
That would be in an interesting comparison. I remember several articles during Katrina from Peace Corps people lauding how FAST the US was responding. A disaster like that in Africa apparently takes months to get the bodies out of the street. It'll be interesting to see if China can do an efficient job.

Date: 2008-05-15 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
My guess is they're catching up.
With effectively speaking no political parties, and just a one-party civil service I wonder if they're not better equipped to respond to these things.

The 20th Century was the century of Capitalism Triumphant, and the Anglo-Saxon idea of a democratic free market came to dominate the world. Whether this is sustainable or not is moot. Also whether such a system/policy will become perceived as irretrievably entwined with the Anglo-Saxon countries is also part of the debate. Will we become as ossified and irrelevant as the Ancien Regime, and fall by the wayside in a similar fashion? Can we respond to China's growing economic might and influence by upping our game?

How efficiently China responds to this disaster may give us some answers.

Date: 2008-05-15 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terminator44.livejournal.com
The 20th Century was the century of Capitalism Triumphant, and the Anglo-Saxon idea of a democratic free market came to dominate the world.

Huh? Most of the 20th century was a time when many countries (England, India, etc.) embraced socialism. Yes, much of the world has now turned to free-market reforms (like China), but your telling of the ideological battle of economic systems in the past 100 years is woefully inadeqate. Also, capitalism became popular long before the turn of the 20th century and is hardly based solely on Anglo-Saxon thought (French thinkers, like Jean-Baptiste Say, also laid the foundation, not to mention the influence of the Austrian School in modern times).

Can we respond to China's growing economic might and influence by upping our game?

How is that relevant to the topic at hand?

How efficiently China responds to this disaster may give us some answers.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that they perform well. Are you implying that fact alone means authoritarianism is preferable to democracy? Cause you know, capitalism and democracy usually aren't mutually exclusive with quick disaster responses. If you want proof, look at the responses to tornados in the Midwest, or the 1906 earthquake, which lafinjack pointed out.

Date: 2008-05-16 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
I agree that for much of the 20th Century the debate between socialism/communism and capitalism went back and forth: but as Fukuyama (Not a Marxist by any means) wrote upon the fall of the USSR; and Hobsbawm (a Marxist) coined the term 'Short Twentieth Century' in acknowledgment thereof, it appeared to many that at the end of the C20th, capitalism and liberal democracy had triumphed. Fukuyama even said the debate was over: 'The End of History' (a neo-con bible) gives the clue in its title.
Perhaps the room for misinterpretation left by my usage, the century of Capitalism Triumphant, renders it persiflage and decoration; in which case I beg your pardon.

The UK was a democratic mixed economy with a welfare net rather than a true socialist polity. This happened because of post-war bankruptcy, and the feeling that folk who have been prepared to give their lives in war should be cared for. For the UK, WWII was a total war. At the end of six years of struggle when every able-bodied person had contributed to the war effort, the equivalent of an universal GI bill was voted in: and who can blame the returning soldiers for that?

However revolution it was not. And the period from '45 to '80 is the only period that a small majority of people in the UK were even remotely socialist-thinking. Such folk hardly exist now.

India though non-aligned, was still a democracy; given the elasticity of that particular term. But Yugoslavia, Hungary, East Germany etc, most certainly were socialist in the generally accepted understanding. (As an aside, the redefinition of the USSR as 'State Capitalist' by some theorists also misses a point, but never mind.)

Can we respond to China's growing economic might and influence by upping our game?
to which you ask the question:
How is that relevant to the topic at hand?

Could be that the cartoon in question is symptomatic of smug lazy thinking. The fortune cookie hasn't broken, just cracked. Our own responses to our own disasters of course allow us to speculate pompously (as I am fond) of the disparity between our stereotype of the Chinese and the reality.

If we're really unlucky, in all things, they're gonna whup our asses bad dude. You think your standard of living is declining at the moment....in a global marketplace for labour there are 1.5 billion Chinese folk with an average IQ six points above the Anglo-Saxon sphere all competing for our jobs.
We're losing our head-start.

I think disaster response gives a good idea of the overall state of a nation. Off-topic perhaps....but some of these exchanges deal with the politics of the cartoon rather than lit-crit deconstructions and textual and contextual analysis of the content thereof.

Date: 2008-05-15 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradisacorbasi.livejournal.com
If it helps, I've seen one with the year of the rat, wherein the rat's tail is the crack in the earth, and the rat asks how to blame this on the Dalai Lama.

I've also seen the Chinese flag unraveled into richter scale readings.

More topical?

Date: 2008-05-15 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sawgunner.livejournal.com
fourtune cookies usally have words of wisdom

Date: 2008-05-15 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sawgunner.livejournal.com
and lucky numbers

Date: 2008-05-15 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saint-monkey.livejournal.com
It's like an advertisement for Chinese stereotype. BTW, the fortune cookie is an American invention, (Some say a Japanese-American invention,) like Chow Mein. Neither are used in China.

Date: 2008-05-15 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uberreiniger.livejournal.com
I'll bet that if he wrote scripts for movies every time an Asian character walked on screen they would be accompanied by a musical sound effect that goes "dinga-dinga-ding-ding-ding-ding-DING!"

Date: 2008-05-15 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ltmurdoch.livejournal.com
What? That doesn't happen in real life?

By the way, I now have coffee dripping from my nostrils thanks to you.

Date: 2008-05-15 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uberreiniger.livejournal.com
You're welcome. Or as asian stereotypes so. "Ah so. You do me too much honor!" *BWWWWONNNGGG!!!*

Date: 2008-05-15 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunpony.livejournal.com
that is ludicrous-riffic!

Date: 2008-05-15 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangerduckie21.livejournal.com
Not to mention that fortune cookies are a 100% american invention...no wonder he had to mark it with "China"

Date: 2008-05-15 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] star-cabaret.livejournal.com
fortune cookies are a 100% american invention

more like Japanese (http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/dining/16fort.html&OQ=_rQ3D1Q26nQ3DTopQ2FNewsQ2FWorldQ2FCountriesQ2520andQ2520TerritoriesQ2FJapan&OP=5b1f7217Q2FQ2Aoa9Q2ABn,2Q5DnnQ60qQ2AqQ23Q23.Q2AQ23HQ2AHmQ2ABQ22Q3BQ22Q3B5Q2AHm!nQ5DQ60Q518Q60Q273) (though they may have originally got them from the Chinese)

Profile

Political Cartoons

March 2023

S M T W T F S
   1234
567891011
121314151617 18
19202122232425
262728293031 

Most Popular Tags

Style Credit

Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags
Page generated Apr. 1st, 2026 08:31 pm
Powered by Dreamwidth Studios