on peaceful religions

[pentha.livejournal.com]

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[vlion.livejournal.com]

o rly?

for the record, I agree with the veto.

[pentha.livejournal.com]

If the reason is not religious, can you share why you agree with the veto?

[thomasblair.livejournal.com]

I made an argument (http://community.livejournal.com/politicartoons/717859.html?thread=13064995#t13064995) for why I agree with the veto on a similar cartoon's post, if your interested.

[kadaria.livejournal.com]

And it looks like you made a piss poor argument there too.
Science is expensive, if a country wants to reap the benefits of science (ranging from healthcare to weapons) then they need to be willing to fund it and at least support the people behind the technology.
Leaving it in the hands of businessmen leads to what we see in the pharmacueticals, only producing drugs that are in high demmand as well as charging an arm and a leg for them.
And besides, this is more than just money. There are people involved too.

[thomasblair.livejournal.com]

How much of it did you read?

[prock.livejournal.com]

The single sentence? You must be bummed that he hasn't vetoed every other spending bill.

[thomasblair.livejournal.com]

Perhaps I should have made it clear that the entire thread (and some of its branches) all dealt with the discussion. My apologies.

[prock.livejournal.com]

Ok, so you're pretty upset about this being the first veto, correct?

[thomasblair.livejournal.com]

Let's start over, for clarity.

I approve of the veto, but not for the reason Bush cited (stem-cells are human, etc.), but because the federal government isn't authorized to spend public funds on scientific research.

I do, indeed, wish that many other unconstitutional spending bills had been vetoed.

[prock.livejournal.com]

Ok, but that's not really what the cartoon is addressing. You could easily agree with the veto, and agree with the cartoon's underlying message.

How do you feel about the idea of religious ideology being the primary motivation behind the veto?

[thomasblair.livejournal.com]

Oh, I know it's not directly related to this cartoon. The only reason I linked to the other thread was because someone asked why a commenter was in favor of the veto.

I dislike religious ideology figuring into any part of public policy development. The government doesn't exist to legislate a moral code; it exists to protect the natural rights of its citizens.

[thomasblair.livejournal.com]

Another comment caused me to realize that I need to point out that I am referring to the entire thread, not just the one comment.

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

Now you know how frustrating it is arguing with Liberals.

[thomasblair.livejournal.com]

It's not just liberals - it's anyone who thinks that the state is the answer to *almost* all of life's ills. I experience that same frustration when arguing with you about anything that falls in the realm of "social freedoms" or foreign policy.

[vlion.livejournal.com]

In the end, all ethical questions come under a moral system, which is the proper domain of religion. This is an ethical question.

[madmethod.livejournal.com]

Damn right

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

EXCELLENT reply.

[sakurabana1.livejournal.com]

I love when reason prevails over nonsense.

[vlion.livejournal.com]

The article lacks a critical distinction: Wilfully taking life is different from non-wilfully taking life.

[somefantastic10.livejournal.com]

Although I'm absolutely for stem cell research (but for the veto because politically it will only screw over the republicans) I agree with your statement. What happens via nature is different than when humans intervene. I know this is a blanket statement, but we should not compare stem cell research to natural misconception.

[vlion.livejournal.com]

It also should be noted that the argument: "But they will die anyway" is a very dangerous one if taken to the logical extreme: if we all die anyway, why make it illegal to kill other people?

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

For the record, I disagree.
The embryos in question will be tossed anyway, so they should be reused to solve real peoples actual problems, instead of being used a rallying point for religious zealots.

[oddityangel.livejournal.com]

for the record, I disagree but approve of your Kenpachi icon.

[vlion.livejournal.com]

Thanks. I copied it off a picture I found in google.

[darkblood777.livejournal.com]

It's like the person who said "I have no problem with a strict theocracy, as long as it a theocracy of MY religion,"

[sakurabana1.livejournal.com]

I like this one.

[bluetooth16.livejournal.com]

The "religious zealots" don't like embryonic stem cell research. It's not like research on all types of stem cells are being stopped.

[dr-pepper-spray.livejournal.com]

Why is Jame Lipton researching stem cells?