I recall everyone but Russ Feingold voting for the Patriot Act, and Democrats favoring laws that restrict speech in the form of campus speech codes and the press in the form of the Espionage and Sedition acts of the 1st World War. Also, consider the BCRA, which limits the freedom of the press in the days leading up to national election, and received votes of "no" by only 3 democrats. Not only is neither major party is a champion of individual rights, both go out of their way to restrict rights.
Had a newspaper printed the details of secret intelligence gathering programs and even ran stories on future troop movement plans during the Revolutionary War, the founders would have likely hung the editors for treason personally.
what secret intelligent programs? farmers knowing their land better than the british? quakers reporting british troop movements to americans? i.e. stuff any british general already knew.
if journalists know this stuff then why wouldnt our enemies? who has a more vested interest in troop movements, the new york times or the insurgency? i'll give you a hint, its not the ones who are safely in new york.
Yes... because NO ONE knew that financial records of terrorists was being tracked. And NO ONE at the U.N. knew the U.S. was using SWIFT. And NO ONE knew that the N.S.A. pretty much monitors every single digital transaction it can stick a decrypter on. "Secret intelligence gathering programs" is bullshit and you know it.
As for this comment thread... read the Federalist papers if you want to know what the founders were thinking and clearly in Federalist 10 (something every freaking highschool student should know) Madison says giving up liberties for temporary safety equals tyranny.
There's a difference between a free press and one that goes unaccounted for and can do whatever they feel like doing. We are made to be free men (and maybe women) but that doesn't mean we don't have restrictions placed upon us.
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Date: 2006-07-06 04:20 pm (UTC)And you can drink one in a pub that overlooks his grave ;)
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Date: 2006-07-06 01:55 pm (UTC)Fitting.
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Date: 2006-07-06 03:46 pm (UTC)your comparison loses.
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Date: 2006-07-06 05:51 pm (UTC)*head desk*
Last panel- perfect.
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Date: 2006-07-15 06:26 am (UTC)I mean who does he think wrote the Alien and Sedition act and repressed the Whiskey Rebellion??