So Blue

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[oslo.livejournal.com]

I don't have any obligation to tolerate, respect, or "love" someone who is actively working to destroy reasonable, responsible discourse with lies. It's clear you're taking your marching orders from the neo-Nazis. Go wallow with them in the muck.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

I didn't say you are obligated to do anything. You and your party are the ones who are pretending to be the most tolerant and loving people:
"Love trumps hate", "I choose love" - these are your party's slogan, so be kind enough to follow, or cut the BS all together. and admit that you are hateful, intolerant and outright mean.

Are a total idiot or what? Stop throwing around your Nazi card around - it's isn't even amusing anymore.

[oslo.livejournal.com]

I'm perfectly willing to engage people who don't agree with me, who have contrary points of view. You're not one of those people. You're someone who will repeat known lies and distortions in order to promote a fascist point of view. You don't actually care to have a real discussion or discuss any point of view. You're just here to lie, lie, and lie.

I don't feel like I really need to educate you on this - because I'm sure you already know where you got this term - but "Lying Press" is a more-than-coincidental adoption of the same term the Nazis used to describe the press, in order to promote their own propaganda. You're a shit person for using that term and the Nazis' methods.

[donkeyjon.livejournal.com]

To be fair, oslo and I agree on almost nothing, and we both like to use personal attacks as part of our arguments, and he has never had any problem with arguing with me in this community. I imagine, were we to meet in person, we'd gladly argue in much the same way over a beer.

The idea is to argue in good faith. You have to actually be providing points FOR your stance and AGAINST the other person's stance that make logical sense. I haven't seen much of that from Mrs. Hat.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

I am sorry, I should of said Fake News, not Lying Media. That probably would make you happy- would fit the framework feeding you.
By the way my grandfather was killed fighting real Nazis. But brainless morons like you just through around words like that without any shame. Before repeating the garbage that your leaders and your media feed you, try to pause for a minute and think, then open your filthy mouth.
I am sorry that you are so upset, just go hug a pillow and cry. And don't ever think that you the only one who knows how to insult.

[oslo.livejournal.com]

If you really had any relatives fighting "real Nazis" (which I doubt), then you're shaming their memory by being such an enthusiast for Nazi techniques.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

Why do you doubt, genius? Don't you know many million of European died fighting real Nazis? Let me send you the picture of "medal of courage" I inherited, maybe then you will not have doubts. What the heck do you know about Nazi techniques? I doubt that anything.

[oslo.livejournal.com]

I doubt your truthfulness. I find it highly likely that you would spuriously claim to have had family who fought Nazis, just so you can try to embarrass me here. For instance, here, you could easily just post a google-searched image of this "medal of courage" you're talking about. I would have little basis for comparison, and because I don't know Russian, I wouldn't be able to assess for myself whether what you posted was, indeed, a "medal of courage" or even of Russian origin.

For what it's worth, my own family emigrated from Poland and Lithuania in the 20th century, so you're not the only one with a heritage implicated here.

What I know of Nazi techniques I know from reading the histories. I know how Hitler ascended to power and the propaganda techniques used by his lieutenants. I also know that the most prominent American figures currently espousing a white nationalist and genocidal view openly calls the American media the "Lügenpresse," which is the same term the Nazis used to refer to German media, in order to discredit them and convince Germans to trust only Nazi-approved media/propaganda.

Since I know that, I know also that supporters of this white nationalist view are not above blatantly lying about their intentions or about themselves. They absolutely would claim to have family who fought against Nazis, as a way of deflecting against being neo-Nazis themselves, even if that were completely untrue. Since you're keen of their language, I can only surmise you're likely to be keen of their techniques.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

You know all the tactics that well because that's what you usually do?
Genius, every forth family in Europe lost somebody in WWII, so it's not unusually at all to have somebody killed fighting Nazis. As a matter of fact, every single man over 18 was recruited. Again, you are arguing about things you know nothing about. Sorry, genius like you knows everything.
You really think I care about your feelings to bother to make up some story. You already embarrassed yourself many times, I would not waste any effort to embarrass you again. On the other hand you have your followers, that will stick with you no matter what.
Poland and Lithuania, but were they fighting Nazis? There were plenty of nazi collaborators in Lithuania, in case you didn't know.
Stop using such heavy words like genocide without any basis, that is shameful.

[moonshaz.livejournal.com]

[oslo.livejournal.com]

Genocide is explicitly what some in the neo-Nazi movement in the U.S. are calling for. Your pretending otherwise isn't going to fly with me.

For all your insults, you seem to be less informed of the history you claim to have inherited than I am. But at this point you're not even bothering to offer specifics, so who can say? You're just trying to bully your way through.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

What the hell are you talking about? Are you referring to Lithuania? It is known fact that half of them were fighting with Nazis and other half weren't fighting. What kind of specifics do you want?
Looks like the great loss you have suffered on November 8, totally shifted your brains even more.

[oslo.livejournal.com]

Oh, look - it's the open of business in Moscow. Funny that.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

Answer the question - what is that I don't know about the history.
What Moscow has to do with anything?

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

I am waiting for your explanation. As always, you through around accusations and then disappear. Very courageous of you.

[oslo.livejournal.com]

I don't owe you one god damn thing.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

No, you don't - because you are a bomb thrower. You throw baseless accusations, but when it's time to support you claims, you just pretend not to be interested in conversation or some similar tactics. You should be ashamed of yourself. While my family paid the ultimate price fighting real fascists, you just sit on your behind and throw accusation at people you have no idea about. I suggest you to explore your own background first.
And by the way, a friendly advice - normal people do not like arrogance, so try to tone it down, it will be beneficiary for your relations.

[oslo.livejournal.com]

You have earned every ounce of disrespect I show you. Could I explain, in detail, why you are wrong and I am right? Of course I can. But then you'll ignore everything I say that is correct and attack me for my tone. Because that's the sort of person you are. You are a troll. Your only function here is to disrupt discussion with blatant lies and to troll anyone who might naively endeavor to engage you like a rational adult to the point of exhaustion.

I am not naive. I recognize your techniques. I can see that you're a neo-Nazi. So no, I refuse to give you the respect you demand but haven't earned.

And, once again, I call bullshit on your claimed family connection. It's just another of your lies.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

No, you are so wrong again, I'm not neo-Nazi - I am a real Nazi, actually I was an adjutant of general Guderian.
You are an idiot, by the way. I already explained you that it is very common for that large area to have a family member killed fighting fascists. For some reason you can't comprehend that. On the other hand, there is very high probability that your ancestors were fascist collaborators, or worse.
Did I ever requested your respect? You totally misunderstood.

[oslo.livejournal.com]

I can comprehend what you're saying just fine. What I doubt is the veracity of your claims that you have a personal connection to any of it. As is typical, you're pretending not to understand a statement I have actually put forth repeatedly, choosing instead to call me an "idiot" for saying something I haven't said.

I think you manufactured this claim in order to attempt to shame me for calling you a neo-Nazi, on the assumption that the pearl-clutching empathetic liberals of this community would view your putative "heritage" as exempting you from such unsavory comparisons. But your gambit has failed. You've exhausted too much of this community's good faith, you've established too clearly that you will lie to suit your purposes, for this cynical plea for sympathy to work.

You are alone here, and disliked. You're not trusted and seldom believed. Your insults are rote and so automatic that they carry no force.

You have implicitly demanded my respect, many times, by insisting that I treat you like an adult. That I explain my positions, that I respond to you with arguments instead of polemic. Again, you fail to acknowledge what I have explicitly put to you - you are a neo-Nazi, you have an agenda that is contrary to rational discourse, so you are beneath such shows of respect or engagement. You will do everything you can to turn my good faith against me, so it is not something I will offer you any longer.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

Let me try again. If somebody from jungles of Amazon claims that he went to college - it is hard to believe, but if same claim made by you and I don't believe it, then I am being pretty idiotic. If you didn't believe that my ancestors fought in Trojan War, you wouldn't be irrational, but skeptical. In this case you are just desperate.
This wasn't gambit, but Corsican defense. You are being arrogant as usual if you think that I care
about what you think about me. Actually, being dislike by some, I am not going to say names, but for an example weasel, is a budge of honor. You are funny though.
Give me an example when I lied or 'my purpose'.

[liliaeth]

'Let me try again. If somebody from jungles of Amazon claims that he went to college - it is hard to believe, '

This sentence of yours only adds in proving that Oslo is entirely right about you being a neo-nazi

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

Tolerance is not a suicide-pact. It is a peace treaty agreeing to a mutual level of basic respect. It does not mean "I will be nice to you no matter how low you sink or what lies you tell." All treaties are invalid the moment one side breaks them, and the kind of lying nonsense you spread in here shows blatant disrespect for those with whom you disagree. People like Oslo need not apologize for recognizing that the treaty has been broken, and responding accordingly, so take your accusations of hypocrisy elsewhere, along with your rationalizations for fascists.

[oslo.livejournal.com]

Right. I mean, we at some point have to recognize that bad-faith interlocutors like Madame Nazi will use our commitment to rational discourse against us. I have spent many hours trying to have good-faith discussions with Madame Nazi, despite her frequent reliance on personal insults, goalpost-shifting, false equivalences, blatant obfuscation, etc. Bad-faith interlocutors rely on receiving this kind of undeserved respect; it allows them to peddle their nonsense while they are treated like real people.

I have no real interest in dispensing with that treatment here, to be honest; but her clear adoption of the term "Lying Press" - a term currently being used by avowed neo-Nazis to describe the media - makes her agenda too clear to ignore. She is no longer entitled to the presumption of good faith a community like this relies on.

[moonshaz.livejournal.com]

This, sfm.

I am incredibly tired of her b.s., and it's lovely to see her being called on it.