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[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

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[telemann.livejournal.com]

That wasn't the question or circumstances Carson was asked. But do try again.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

Opinions of xenophobes doesn't count.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Nice dodge! But Carson still wasn't asked *that* question.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

What question? There is no question - only statements. What's wrong with you, why you did correct the spelling?

[telemann.livejournal.com]

You know, the questions Chuck Todd asked on Sunday when Carson was on "Meet the Press" for an interview
Chuck Todd: "Does a president's faith matter? Should your faith matter to voters?"
Carson "It depends what faith it is...."
Chuck Todd: "Do you believe Islam is consistent with the Constitution?"
Carson: "No, I do not. I do not advocate we put a Muslim in charge of this nation...."

Carson wasn't asked the about the circumstances of a "radical Muslim" so the comic is a pretty stupid straw man. There is also a constitutional prohibition against religious test for any candidate for federal office:

United States Constitution Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Carson's a jerk about this, no doubt, but the religious test clause has nothing to do with voter preferences.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Chuck Todd: "Do you believe Islam is consistent with the Constitution?"
Carson: "No, I do not.

This is the portion that outs Carson as a raging Islamaphobe who doesn't understand Islam or the US Constitution.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Do you happen to understand why Carson believes this?

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

No, he doesn't

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Ooh ooh, it's the part where the Koran says:

'Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'

Cause ya know, murdering children, that's American!

Oh wait, that's not the Koran that's 1 Samuel 15:3

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

That is why the terrorists in Beslan school yelled Samuel 15:3, not Allah Akbar.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

I didn't hear him explain why. Can you cite me his explanation of what's incompatible with Islam and the constitution?

I mean, tell it to Keith Ellison.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

The issue is the belief, misguided or not, that Islam, being all-encompassing, is incompatible with a secular state, especially when we have Sharia issues involved.

I don't agree at all, but the fact that you don't have this understanding is part of the issue with not understanding the broader positions.

[catlin.livejournal.com]

Sadly, people often forget that Christians often want to enshrine Their faith in our laws, also...

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Also true, but there's much less conflict between the two.

[moonshaz.livejournal.com]

telemann is referring to the fact that Ben Carson was not asked, nor did he state, that a RADICAL Muslim should not be president of the US. He simply stated that a MUSLIM should not be potus, and he didn't qualify that in any way.

The cartoon, on the other hand, specifically says "RADICAL Muslim," and the attitudes it describes are those of someone on the most radical extreme of the political spectrum. I highly doubt that anyone here (certainly not myself) would be in favor of a RADICAL Muslim such as the one depicted here being our president. However, ALL Muslims are NOT exactly alike, and they do NOT all have the attitudes shown in this cartoon. This is a clearly demonstrable fact. By saying "Muslim" with no other qualifications, Ben Carson demonstrated that he either does not understand or does not recognize the fact that there are differences or that NOT all Muslims are radical US-haters. In other words, he has demonstrated a lack of understanding of something that is very important for a president to have a full grasp of.

This cartoon would be a much more accurate reflection of Carson's statement if the character said: "I'm an American Muslim, who loves this country and supports its government. I don't believe in jihad or spreading my faith through violence. I'm a law-abiding citizen, and I respect the right of others to believe differently from me. Now why doesn't Ben Carson think I'd make a good president?"

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

I am just giving him hard time.

I think people are mixing 2 things. Many people consider themselves Christians, however do not believe in Christ as Savior. Same with muslims, some are from those area and born muslim, but do not drop on their knees 5 times a day. Carson was talking about the ones who really believe in Koran; here I absolutely agree with him.

[moonshaz.livejournal.com]

Well, I certainly agree that a radical Muslim who wants to destroy this country would be a bad choice to be its president. However, if I'm not mistaken, all Muslims believe in the Quran. They just don't all interpret it the same way.

[madam-shapo.livejournal.com]

How many ways one can interpret 'convert or die'?