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Black people have to FLY to where the White man can WALK to.





Chris Rock just wrote a very blistering editorial about this issue.

In the aftermath of some pretty embarrassing E-mails in the Sony hacking incident (e.g. several E-mails released show less than enlightened speculation on the sorts of movies President Obama and his family would like to see), and the demographics of some of Sony's top executives (they're mostly white men), Chris Rock used that a launching point for having an honest conversation about racism in Hollywood, with particular focus on Latinos.



Now, when it comes to casting, Hollywood pretty much decides to cast a black guy or they don't. We're never on the "short list." We're never "in the mix." When there's a hot part in town and the guys are reading for it, that's just what happens. It was never like, "Is it going to be Ryan Gosling or Chiwetel Ejiofor for Fifty Shades of Grey?" And you know, black people f—, too. White women actually want to f— black guys, sometimes more than white guys. More women want to f— Tyrese than Jamie Dornan, and it's not even close. It's not a contest. Even Jamie would go, "OK, you got it."

Or how about True Detective? I never heard anyone go, "Is it going to be Amy Adams or Gabrielle Union?" for that show. I didn't hear one black girl's name on those lists. Not one. Literally everyone in town was up for that part, unless you were black. And I haven't read the script, but something tells me if Gabrielle Union were Colin Farrell's wife, it wouldn't change a thing. And there are almost no black women in film. You can go to whole movies and not see one black woman. They'll throw a black guy a bone. OK, here's a black guy. But is there a single black woman in Interstellar? Or Gone Girl? Birdman? The Purge? Neighbors? I'm not sure there are. I don't remember them. I go to the movies almost every week, and I can go a month and not see a black woman having an actual speaking part in a movie. That's the truth.

But forget whether Hollywood is black enough. A better question is: Is Hollywood Mexican enough? You're in L.A, you've got to try not to hire Mexicans. It's the most liberal town in the world, and there's a part of it that's kind of racist — not racist like "F— you, nigger" racist, but just an acceptance that there's a slave state in L.A. There's this acceptance that Mexicans are going to take care of white people in L.A. that doesn't exist anywhere else. I remember I was renting a house in Beverly Park while doing some movie, and you just see all of the Mexican people at 8 o'clock in the morning in a line driving into Beverly Park like it's General Motors. It's this weird town.

You're telling me no Mexicans are qualified to do anything at a studio? Really? Nothing but mop up? What are the odds that that's true? The odds are, because people are people, that there's probably a Mexican David Geffen mopping up for somebody's company right now. The odds are that there's probably a Mexican who's that smart who's never going to be given a shot. And it's not about being given a shot to greenlight a movie because nobody is going to give you that — you've got to take that. The shot is that a Mexican guy or a black guy is qualified to go and give his opinion about how loud the boings are in Dodgeball or whether it's the right shit sound you hear when Jeff Daniels is on the toilet in Dumb and Dumber. It's like, "We only let white people do that." This is a system where only white people can chime in on that. There would be a little naivete to sitting around and going, "Oh, no black person has ever greenlighted a movie," but those other jobs? You're kidding me, right? They don't even require education. When you're on the lower levels, they're just about taste, nothing else. And you don't have to go to Harvard to have taste.


Mr. Rock's recent movie, Top Five, was largely financed by himself and Jay Z, and Barry Diller's production company. Bloomberg's Business Week agrees that Hollywood isn't fair to African American movies or stars.


Chris Rock has made a career of being blunt, particularly about race. So when he wrote in the Hollywood Reporter last week that the movie business is “a white industry,” his appraisal was familiarly provocative. And by most measures, his remark was also right.

Black films account for a tiny fraction of big studios’ output. Budgets tend to be small, and distribution is limited largely to domestic theaters. Rock’s new film, Top Five, which opens in wide release this weekend, features a mostly black cast and isn’t mainly about race. Those kinds of films are rarely made by large Hollywood studios. Top Five was produced by Barry Diller’s IAC Films.

Date: 2014-12-30 05:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] garote
"Top Five" was a pretty good movie. I laughed like hell for most of it, which is a lot more than I can say for "Dumb And Dumber To".

As for white people whining that they're losing the country, well, okay - let them whine. And if Chris Rock wants to spend his time telling them to shut up, to the applause of others, that's cool too. Whatever gets asses in theater seats, right?

Date: 2014-12-30 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
Yeah, but it's a little more than whining, right? I think, for instance, that this is why the white middle class can be a bit indifferent to police brutality and the filling of prisons with minorities. They feel as though they are losing the country, and they aren't going to take it - putting further negative pressures on minorities, because whites feel that they are the victims now.

Date: 2014-12-30 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
I have been surprised that there is not more of an uproar over these leaks, unless I am out of the loop. Maybe they are too far behind the scenes? Despite the liberal trappings of Hollywood, I am not shocked that these attitudes persist. Maybe Americans aren't too shocked either, and maybe they agree and understand them.

Date: 2014-12-30 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
If I remember correctly, Dunham said it simply reflected the reality that she had lived in at the time and translated it onto the screen.

Date: 2014-12-31 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
Which is just to say, "I remember that all of my friends and colleagues were white, and that was a relevant part of my reality."

Date: 2014-12-31 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
You know, there's a point at which, as a white person, you can cross over this line between needing the easy comfort that all-white media gives you, where non-white faces tend to be a bit off-puttingly unfamiliar and difficult to relate to, and being interested in being othered, in being excluded from the conversation, just to hear what other people are saying. I am so sick of white people and their stupid stories.

Date: 2014-12-31 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
I don't view these as two points at "extremes." I think the difference is just between being able to appreciate stories that are not by and for white people, and being threatened by them.

Date: 2014-12-31 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theidolhands.livejournal.com
Actually, the White middle class apparently threatened to take over the protests, so much that formal statements were released telling such individuals to stop (or at the very least cease taking center stage); privileged individuals took it upon themselves to lecture everyone, which was also perceived as intensely insulting, invasive, and dismissive.
Edited Date: 2014-12-31 04:29 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-12-31 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
I'm a little lost. The middle class was threatening to take over the protests against brutal policemen? And police and political actors issued formal statements to these middle-class leaders to hold back? Who are the privileged people who took to lecturing everyone?

Date: 2014-12-31 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
I was trying to parse through your comment. Can you elaborate?

Date: 2015-01-01 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonshaz.livejournal.com
Yes, please. I couldn't quite follow it myself.

Date: 2014-12-30 06:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Hmm. I thought Jesse ran for president.

Date: 2014-12-30 07:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catlin.livejournal.com
We are losing touch with grammar?

Date: 2014-12-30 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interdictor.livejournal.com
This is a Jewish thing, so it's kind of unfair to call it "white". I know this is a subject people don't like broaching since the Jews were victimized unfathomably just 70 years ago, but look at the people whose hands are in these pies, who are running the media. It's not "white men".

Date: 2014-12-30 12:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
Well, I never inquired about the religion of the major shareholders of Disney or News Ltd, and given they are the largest media conglomerates in the US... But who knew? Apparently Jewish people are sometimes successful capitalists as well.

Your point being?

Date: 2014-12-30 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bikinisquad3000.livejournal.com
You're kind of missing what he means by "white industry." He's describing hiring/casting poilcies throughout, not the demographic makeup of the people running the industry.

Date: 2014-12-30 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
You seen many black Jews?

Date: 2014-12-30 10:18 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-12-30 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mudryikot.livejournal.com
A vintage soviet cartoon to go with that:
Image
Red-lettered sign in background says "SCHOOL"
caption beneath: "A black child and dark personalities"
"темные личности - dark personalities" here supposed to mean persons both "malevolent" and "of questionable reputation". Don't know how well it translates into English.

Date: 2014-12-30 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
I think it works in English.

Date: 2014-12-30 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonshaz.livejournal.com
Yes, I think it works quite well in English!

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