politicartoons | The problem with Latuff... ( a deeper look)

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choobie.livejournal.com

The only reason MLK had any power: the 70+ violent race riots in the US at that time. Another reason: Malcolm X. Another reason: Black Panthers resistance to police brutality.

The authorities realized that they either had to listen to the nonviolent black leaders OR they would be forced to deal with violent black leaders.

Nonviolent activists and violent activists need each other and benefit from each other, and true change is effected only when they work together. Vietnam wasn't won by the Vietnamese through peaceful protests. There was PLENTY of violence in the US re: civil rights.

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crazy-mittens.livejournal.com

Don't forget those tibetan monks, they just go BOOM all the time!

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crazy-mittens.livejournal.com

SERIOULSY!! I think that is the funniest part about this clown.

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megiloth.livejournal.com

What's the old saying..."The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

I would figure the Klan would like the Palestinians. After all, they don't like Israel and have been known to take out a few Jews.

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choobie.livejournal.com

You are not aware of the CIA-funded tibetan resitance to China? No, seriously. Plenty of monks took up arms. Read up:
http://historynet.com/mh/blciawar/index2.html
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=8782&t=4&c=1

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megiloth.livejournal.com

Or at least catch fire every now and then.

From:

drivebyluna.livejournal.com

*snore*

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motherginsberg.livejournal.com

for more reasons, asides from the obvious:

no he isnt.

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crazy-mittens.livejournal.com

You don't think this he is discrediting palestinians though? I think he is. I am Jewish and I just want to see a peaceful resolution of the conflict where both sides are content and no more lives are lost. But his kind of cartoons only stirs up the pot more and leads to more violence. Why go back and forth endlessly with who was a better murderer? Bottom line both sides have blood on their hands and both sides think they are the victims that need to defend themselves, doesn't that suggested an endless cycle of violence? As long as that mindset stays the bloodshed will continue. Or you don't agree?

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thehornedgod.livejournal.com

The problem with the identification of twentieth-century murder and oppression of African-Americans with the US-backed programme of state terrorism and ethnic cleansing against the Palestinian is that the latter dwarfs the former in its scale. The South African one is much nearer the mark. It's a fantastic series.

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groundbyground.livejournal.com

I guess that's my issue with it. Not everything equals the Palestinian conflict, not even close, and it would be a stretch to say it unites the victims depicted in the series.It is interesting work though. Google his name, and check out the rest of his galleries. The Anti-american/Israel sentiment gets a little strong, and there's a language barrier, but there's some real pieces of impact there.

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thehornedgod.livejournal.com

I suppose he's talking about the universality of oppression and suffering. I googled him yesterday, but thanks! I've found some interesting stuff through this community.

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choobie.livejournal.com

Obviously not everything equals the palestinian conflict, and I doubt anyone thinks he is saying that. He forces Americans to think about issues that they don;t usually think about, i.e. that there is an oppressive power relationship between palestinians and israelis that shouldn't be ignored. I don;t see any disconnect with LaTuff's viewpoint. I see the disconnect in FOX-informed Americans, definitely. LaTuff is more fond of confrontational imagery rather than say, patient explanation. To each their own. I understand his impatience. Of course, I come froma perspective that sees the pro-America, pro-Israel sentiment as being too strong, so we probably have a fundamental difference of priorities.

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coolstring.livejournal.com

LaTuff forces Americans to think about issues that they don't?

Are you serious? How naive do you think people are that you assume they haven't considered these issues? And while I don't agree with most of Israel's actions, that doesn't mean I think the Palestinians are angels either.

LaTuff is RADICAL imagery, and as with most radicals, he's missed the mark by a few hundred feet. There's a difference between questioning someone's actions, and flat out hatred of what they do and what they stand for. I fear LaTuff is one of the latter when it comes to the issues he chooses to focus his drawings on.

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choobie.livejournal.com

people who don't question often end up blissfully ignorant, rather than justifiably filled with hatred. Anger is healthy, and if there was more of it, most all of the injustice in the world would not have happened.

radical is the only sensible viewpoint. Hence the disconnect between you and me. Most Americans think how the teevee tells them to. Telling palestinians to be peaceful is laughable. Yes, LaTuff presents a viewpoint woefully under-represented to Americans. So much so that his cartoons are seen as insanity, since radicalism has been portrayed as insanity by teh establishment, this is to be expected.

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newsbean.livejournal.com

Peace is "laughable"? Dear G-d. And this is why there will never be peace there. If that is the attitude, it is also "laughable" to ask Israelis not to try and protect themselves, by whatever means possible, from people who believe in killing civilians. Israel is surrounded by nations which have sworn to push Israel and all Jews into the sea. (This is still the official policy of all nations next to Israel, except Egypt which has backed down. A little.)

More Palestinians were killed by the Jordanians in 1967 than by Israel in 50 years. Your hatred may be misplaced.

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choobie.livejournal.com

Merely refraining from further violence isn't REALLY "peace" when that so-called "peace" is an unjust situation that makes sure that further violence happens. State violence is still violence.

Israel is a white colonist's wet dream, and I would not cry if Israel or the US fell off into the sea. Karma sure is a bitch. American Indians and Palestinians can dig it. Boo fucking hoo.

Israel is about as "Jewish" as a ham sandwich. Silly me, I always thought that Jews follow the torah rather than shit on it and establish an essentially atheist country. Zionism is political, and not remotely religious. Zionists seek to conflate Zionism with Judaism only because it is politically expedient to do so, since it fulfills their "everyone hates jews" theory so well.

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groundbyground.livejournal.com

...when that so-called "peace" is an unjust situation that makes sure that further violence happens.

No such thing. Each individual has a choice to take a violent action and start the cascade of impact on other's lives. (even a soldier) By your choice, you agree to the consequences.

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choobie.livejournal.com

You can allow violence to happen with inaction. Would you stand by while your son is stabbed to death? Your mother raped? I hope you would be moved to violence in these situations.

Or I suppose you could "stop the cycle of violence" with the power of love.

Self-defense is a legitimate motivation for violence. So is defense of your family and friends. It is even HEALTHY to do so, quite literally.

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groundbyground.livejournal.com

Well, hold on now. Stay on point. You were talking aboot a peaceful situation. That by definition is NOT "Would you stand by while your son is stabbed to death? Your mother raped?" You are correct in that this would warrant self-defense, but these are outside the scope of the statement you made above. These are not peaceful situations.

If peace exists, but you do not like the ruling party, and so cause discord by destroying the lives of innocents, the onus is on you. Nothing warrant such action, although you will justify it to yourself. Such is the life of a Zealot.

Also, the power of love? WTF?

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choobie.livejournal.com

Yes, when people ask for "peace" they askl for the impossible. Why? Because there is no such thing as peace. Even in absence of war, there are regular incidences of teh authorities using violence to "maintain order". Your "if peace exists" scenario is hypothetical, a fantasy. That simply does not happen. Why? because people chanting "peace" cry for passive-ism rather than anything else.

The morality promoted by governments is laughable because it is so far from the way they operate it renders them extreme hypocrites. The same day Clinton tut-tutted kids for shooting up Columbine and told them to avoid violence in resolving conflict, he was raining missilies on Kosovo, a highly populated city, full of civilians. The "peace" shit they talk about is a mere control mechanism. They want the populace impotent more than anything else.

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nacreousflaneur.livejournal.com

You can allow violence to happen with inaction. Would you stand by while your son is stabbed to death? Your mother raped? I hope you would be moved to violence in these situations.

Ah, so you support capital punishment then. That, and your blatant Anti-Semitism, proves that you are a Republican.

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choobie.livejournal.com

Don't be an idiot. Capital punishment is as racist as can be, as well as class-sensitive, just like teh US "justice" system. Republicans are just as disgusting as Democrats.

So these rabbis, undeniably Jewish, are also blatantly anti-semitic too? I am merely repeating what I have heard countless sensible Jewish people say: that Zionism enhances and promotes anti-semitism, and in fact thrives on it:
http://nkusa.org/
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Your grasp of US politics (amongst iother things) seems tenuous. Republicans support Israel very strongly (I do not support Israel's actions), although many of them are personally anti-semitic (which I am not).

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nacreousflaneur.livejournal.com

Let me get this straight. Capital punishment is wrong and racist, and yet violence is perfectly acceptable when applied in self-defense?

Hrm, let me think about that for a mo...Ow! Ow! Your hypocrisy is hurting my brain!

You know what? You've convinced me. No, really. Let's disband the state of Israel--it should never have existed in the first place. Let's get the US out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, the Phillippines, Hawaii...heck, let's get all the Americans out of America too.

The Europeans should never have colonized the New World. Or Africa, or Asia, for that matter. Actually, now that I think about it, since pretty much every people historically gained significance by plundering the land and subduing or conquering its neighbors, it would be hypocritical to say that man belongs anywhere but the Fertile Crescent.

Actually, you know what? I think our evolutionary ancestors were wrong for even trying to crawl out of the sea. Invading the land like that, stealing the ecological niche from other species. Who do they think they are?

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choobie.livejournal.com

"Let me get this straight. Capital punishment is wrong and racist, and yet violence is perfectly acceptable when applied in self-defense?"

If you can't see the logic of this, I assume you see US courts as impartial arbiters of justice. If that were true, then yes, I would support capital punishment without a doubt. But no, innocent people stay in prison for decades, or languish on death row and get executed, all because they couldn't afford a lawyer capable of keeping an innocent person out of jail. Happens all the time.

Your support of the invasion mentality is typical, very demopublican. Go for it, genius.

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nacreousflaneur.livejournal.com

Well...yes, technically.

But the phrase "anti-Semitic", however--which is entirely germaine to this debate--is generally synonymous with the phrase "anti-Jewish." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semite)

Nice try, though.

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shli-fox.livejournal.com

wow,
I suppose if we had MORE hatred 9/11 wouldn't have happened? WWII?

O wait, that falls into your justice category? nice.

The TV doesn't tell us what to think, it only tells us what to think about. There's an insidious(sp?) difference, and is probably worse.

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choobie.livejournal.com

If there was more hatred WELL-PLACED, yes, neither 9-11 nor WWII would have happened. Precisely. Hatred at self-serving leaders and profiteering pricks who wage internacine war is well-placed hatred indeed. Hitler AND FDR should have been laughed off their podiums and/or executed promptly. People don't want war unless they are lied to repeatedly, which happens time and time again.

It's the right kiond of hatred that we need. Anger is a useful tool.

"To be angry is very good. It burns out things and leaves nutrients in the soil. You should always be ready to be angry at injustice and cruelty."
-- Maya Angelou

"Grab the broom of anger and drive off the beast of fear."
-- Zora Neale Hurston

"The world needs anger. The world often continues to allow evil because it isn't angry enough."
-- Bede Jarrett

yes, TV frames events and ideologies in such a way that it not only tells us what to think about (bling bling, "cribs") but also HOW to think about any given subject. Modern propaganda is far more insidious than it was when first described, in that it is almost never recognized by its consumers for what it is.