A little goat-getting, again...

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[atheistkathleen.livejournal.com]

I'm from Windsor, and GM was there until they closed for good like five years ago or something and they paid like $20+ an hour - to start - to be a janitor, full benefits and everything. My father in law was getting paid almost $30 an hour to drive a forklift around and didn't even have to do that like crazy. Then they closed down and moved their production to mexico and all their cars are being recalled for malfunctioning parts that can kill you. My car has been recalled.

GM was only good to workers cause of the union. They're really bad when it comes to screwing people over for profit



(gm killed the electric car)

that being said, walmart is terrible and they need to pay people more

[peristaltor.livejournal.com]

A bit off topic, but GM had lots of electric car killing help. In fact, I'd say the real culprit wasn't even named in the movie.

[brother-dour.livejournal.com]

If you ask the Teabaggers why, they'll scream about the evil unions, forcing higher wages and benefits and killing profits for the poor, honest, hardworking CEOs and shareholders. The Industrial Revolution, along with 18-hour workdays and 10-year-old factory workers and 145 women at a time dying in factory fires, never happened in their minds.

Personally, my only complaint with unions is they sometimes protect the incompetent along with the good workers. Employers should be able to can a fuck-up at least without unions getting involved.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

And who has the strongest unions? Policemen. So maybe your comment stands.

[peristaltor.livejournal.com]

Ooo, good point.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Pro cop or anti union. Tilt.

[brother-dour.livejournal.com]

Either way the problem is not with the union but with the lack of oversight that lets crappy employees remain on the job while remaining crappy employees. Of course if the crappy employee works in a print shop or a classroom or a law office, someone is a lot less likely to die than if the crappy employee is a cop who can't tell a Wii controller from a handgun.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

Teachers get hit with that one a lot. I'd like to see things like No Child Left Behind, being actually left behind because linking job security to how kids do on standardized tests is kind of b.s.

Strong unions are basically teachers, firemen, police. Everyone else is on the fringes. I guess there are still teamsters & longshoremen but that's a different animal.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

You can fire the incompetent in a union, you just can't do it on a whim. All you need to do is document infractions.

Which, of course is the problem with police incompetency: nobody's willing to do the paperwork to weed out the bad ones and instead cover up for them.

[oslo.livejournal.com]

This is a little like saying, "my only complaint with the jury system is that it sometimes lets the factually guilty go free, instead of just the innocent. Sometimes the government should just be able to put the actually guilty directly into jail."

You see the problem, right? If unions make it more difficult to fire the incompetent, that's a product of ensuring that the only people who are fired are fired for the right reasons.

[moonshaz.livejournal.com]

Good point!

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Ugh. That is a sobering fact.

Meh. Here's a goat.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

I guess goats are the new cats.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Baby goats are cute as hell. Nuclear cute irradiating your heart for 10,000 years.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

"Ahh what the hell is it? It's so bouncy!"

[jom-art.livejournal.com]

i wonder how many people here drive American-brand cars.. same as how much GM CEO' s actually investing back into US economy.