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[beretta.livejournal.com]

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[motherginsberg.livejournal.com]

london = anarchist terrorists. if it was actually al qaeda, far more people would have died. sorry, it's true.

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

Muslim lads from Leeds? Anarchists? Doubt.

You're right that we got off lightly in terms of casualties, which is interesting; I suspect it reflects limited access to explosives.

Al-Qaeda's a brand, not a corporation; the orders don't have to be faxed from Osama's cave, the perpetrators just have to identify with al-Qaeda ideology. "This is a bomb, this is another, this is a third. Now form a cell."

[beretta.livejournal.com]

So the militant website claiming the bombing is just trying to steal a bunch of anarchists thunder?

[motherginsberg.livejournal.com]

the website is a bunch of crap. none of the al qaeda "publications" that has ever come out reads like that.

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

Maybe; a couple of analysts claim that the supposed statement misquotes a Quranic verse and that that's uncharacteristic of jihadis. Of course that could reflect the perpetrators being clueless lads from Leeds. It's quite possible that the links with al-Qaeda proper are tenuous but I think they're Islamists.

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

I think they're still looking into an Al-Quada link.

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

Perhaps the Miami Herald's cartoonist knows many Muslim Londoners and has asked them their opinions on international politics and what is preached in their mosques. Or perhaps they're exploiting a tragedy to whip up further hatred against an unpopular minority. The bombers weren't even from London, for Allah's sake.

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

Yes they were from london. They have pakistani roots, but they were definitely born in London.

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

They were from Leeds and Lindsay was Jamaican.

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

Ok, I guess I'm not that good with london geography...how far away from london is leeds?

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

Far. Different bits of the country, different culture.

[towith.livejournal.com]

Tip: There's already enough misinformation out there, don't add to it.

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

Ok, I'm sorry. Like I said I'm not familiar with the area.

But would there be any similarity to terrorists being bred in say...Texas and then bombing New York to get some attention?

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

Sounds like a reasonable analogy to me.

[towith.livejournal.com]

Like I said I'm not familiar with the area.

So why make it up?

But would there be any similarity to terrorists being bred in say...Texas and then bombing New York to get some attention?

Can you reword this please.

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

I didn't make it up...when the news came out that they were not foreign born, it's what I heard.

[towith.livejournal.com]

The news said Leeds was in London, or you blindly assumed it was?

[ccnuggie.livejournal.com]

The news said they were born in the UK.

Just like if a terrorist bombing happened in NY, and they were born in FL, the news would say they were not foreign born.

[towith.livejournal.com]

The difference is I wouldn't assume Florida was in New York and I certainly wouldn't pass on such information without being sure of it.

[goumindong.livejournal.com]

NPR and the BBC were commenting after the attacks on how the U.K. has always let Al Qaeda roam free in London, and not restricted some of the more obvious fundraising and preaching.

They had a few Muslim community members mentioning that it was a stupid place for an attack, because they would most likly either loose the support for the cause, or lose the ability to openly speak of it.

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

I think this "Londonistan" propaganda has, basically, been spun by US intelligence community to smear our, less extreme, internal antiterrorism measures and reluctance to extradite our citizens to the US without evidence.

There's only one mosque I know of in London where inflammatory preaching goes on; the one in Finsbury Park. The bloke who runs it is a self-publicising tabloid hate figure, a pantomime Evil Muslim with a hook for a hand (seriously). They're trying to extradite him but he's fighting it.

[blackmetalfan.livejournal.com]

Take it from someone who lived in the UK for 19 years of his life. The Muslims there are perfectly acceptable most of the time, and as for this London mosque shit, you should look at the more Muslim areas like Leeds and Bradford, they're chocka.

Personally I LIKE the fact that in England freedom of speach doesn't get you stuffed in a detention camp.

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

I was thinking that Leeds, Bradford, etc must have a completely different vibe going on. Which makes a nonsense of this Londonistan story.

Sadly we did have some people interned in Belmarsh prison without trial, just as greater numbers of IRA suspects were interned in the past. I think they've been moved to house arrest now though.

[blackmetalfan.livejournal.com]

Well, if you lived through the IRA days like many did, you'd see why they were paranoid. We had multiple attacks that targetted civilians on a fairly regular basis.

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

I did live through the tail end and it's what makes Blair standing shoulder to shoulder with Bush in his "War on Terror" so laughably presumptuous. The US government was never in the least concerned by expatriate Irish-Americans funding bombing campaigns in Britain; they're no more our friends or allies than whoever funded the recent bombings.

[the-call-up.livejournal.com]

This made me sick, as I would estimate probably 90 percent of that decision (to not actively support Britain fighting the IRA) was made because of ethnic pandering. There are a lot of decendents from Irish families, and actually quite a few first generation Irish immigrants living all over the US. I'm not sure of the ACTUAL percentage but I would be suprised if it was less than 40 percent of caucasians in this country who have some form of Irish Heritage.

Quite a few of these people have passed their hate for all things English down to their children and grandchildren, and it's passively acceptable in our culture. Double Standard? Abso-fucking-lutely.

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

That fits in with what I thought, though it's interesting to learn that there are many first generation Irish immigrants in the US. Cheers.

[the-call-up.livejournal.com]

Oh yea, and they mostly live in the cities in the northeast, Boston and New York for example are two cities with a lot of Irish Heritage, so first generations can find an Irish community and fit right in. My University had like 3 footballers who came over from the ROE and decided not to go back.

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

Come to think of it I had heard of the Boston Irish and had noticed that all the New York coppers in old films were Irish but I hadn't put those pieces together.

[khalinche.livejournal.com]

There's only one mosque I know of in London where inflammatory preaching goes on; the one in Finsbury Park. The bloke who runs it is a self-publicising tabloid hate figure, a pantomime Evil Muslim with a hook for a hand (seriously). They're trying to extradite him but he's fighting it.

Abu Hamza doesn't preach inside the Finsbury Park mosque, they kicked him out years ago for his extremism. Before he was put in Belmarsh, he preached on the pavement outside, where he couldn't be moved on. The worshippers at the mosque want nothing to do with him.

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

This is true. In fairness to myself a comment below does state that "normal Muslims have now reclaimed" Finsbury Park. Still, I'm glad a correction was put on the record; cheers.

[pentha.livejournal.com]

Thank you kind sir, now we all saw the light: every single islamist in London is either a manipulator or brainwashed. So lets let them know of our anger.

In Nottingham Muslim man has been beaten to death outside a corner shop by a gang of youths who called him a 'Taliban' and other anti-Islamic goods.

That sure showed to the terrorists.

Oh and don't you dare call the above killers 'terrorists'! It's terrorism only when a muslim kills a western person, never the other way around!

[beretta.livejournal.com]

Is it stupid to look over your shoulder when there are people around who wish to kill you?

[stupiddumbpanda.livejournal.com]

No, but it's stupid to assume EVERYONE around you is trying to kill you.

[stupiddumbpanda.livejournal.com]

Everyone that's muslim, I mean.

It's not like anyone else murders, rapes, or pillages.

[the-call-up.livejournal.com]

This cartoon is dumb, because they probably ARE still looking the other way. At least most of the people I knew while I was there were so hung up on "multi-culturism" that they could probably lose both legs and both arms and still wouldn't lift an eyelash is response to the hateful teachings that SOME clerics are propogating.

[beretta.livejournal.com]

I think that certain elements of Britain will be taking a much harder look at the roots of terrorism. But I see the multi-culturists jumping on them for it.

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

I think that certain elements of Britain will be taking a much harder look at the roots of terrorism.

Definitely. We'll be looking much harder at the US armed, funded and backed occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

[thehornedgod.livejournal.com]

To recap what I said above, I know of only one London mosque where inflammatory sermons were preached, the one in Finsbury Park that Abu Hamza's cronies basically occupied and stole, which normal Muslims have now reclaimed.
Abu Hamza is presently locked up in HMP Belmarsh.

[maggiesox.livejournal.com]

YAY BIGOTRY IS FUNNY ALL OF TEH MUSLIMS ARE EVIL AND OMG SKEERT NOW.

Ass.

[champion.livejournal.com]

Pure quality, this.