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Date: 2014-06-13 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Maybe, my point of view that law should be executed no matter what is too extreme, but that's my point of view

It is your point of view and I certainly support your right to hold it. But when we're talking about undocumented residents, we're talking some 30 million people with families and lives in this country. Taking an ultra-hard line on them, making it impossible for them to continue here would create chaos leading to a very uncivil society. Turn those people into criminals and then you'll see what chaos really looks like.

There's no orderly way to expel all those people, return them to their country of origin. And there are industries in this country dependent on that labor - meat plants, agriculture, fruit, garment manufacture. Our economy would take a big hit besides the costs associated with tracking down and mass deporting.

There is institutional racism behind a lot of laws, and drugs and immigration are two historically established examples. I'm not saying everybody who wants to take a hard line on the topic is a racist but there's a lot of blanket judgments that get thrown around when it comes to illegal aliens.

Date: 2014-06-13 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
Not enforcing the immigration laws makes it much worse. Look what is going on the Southern border right now.
"Blanket judgments" - is a prejudice, not racism, correct. Theoretically, illegal aliens is not a definition of a race. I noticed, that my understanding of word definitions are more strict and technical, not sure why. Maybe more archaic?

Date: 2014-06-13 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
What is going on the southern border now?

Date: 2014-06-14 05:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
Thousands of illegals, mostly children, are dumped on this side of the boarder.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/13/border-patrol-change-diapers-heat-baby-formula/
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380337/teenage-latin-border-horde-ryan-lovelace

Date: 2014-06-14 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Again, Mexican immigration is at a net zero. Meaning as many are leaving as are coming in. Stop using blatantly biased right wing sources as your guides to a situation.

Date: 2014-06-15 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
Those aren't Mexican, they are mostly central Americans. Those are facts, and doesn't matter who reports.
What you mean right wing sources? WT isn't right wing. Plus left wing sources do not report on this, as far as I know. And finally, I don't know too many left wing sources.

Date: 2014-06-15 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
It's the Mexican border that matters: Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero—and Perhaps Less (http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/)

The Washington Time is right wing, always has been. Founding by the head of the Moonies. The Washington Post is a real news source. It's not left wing sources you want, just credible ones.

Date: 2014-06-15 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madam-shapo.livejournal.com
LA Times is a real news source, right?
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-border-chaos-20140614-story.html#page=1
The Pew Research you are referring to is up to 2010, when unemployment was very high. It's 2014 now and things probably are different now.

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