Date: 2013-12-17 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brother-dour.livejournal.com
...omnomnom?
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Date: 2013-12-17 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Why on earth is this scary? It's about exposure. You're not going to eat hundreds of tomatoes in one sitting straight off the vine, right?

Date: 2013-12-18 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonchylde.livejournal.com
Actually, post spraying you can't eat any, or even come into contact with them, for some length of time.

Date: 2013-12-18 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Right. The point of the spraying is for future consumption. That they'll be there for future consumption at all.

Date: 2013-12-19 06:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonchylde.livejournal.com
Except that you can spray more expensive less toxic sprays that don't have any where near that level of hazard to humans. That is why so many small farmers are trying out organic sprays.

Date: 2013-12-19 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
There is no real level of hazard to humans, though. That's the point.

Thankfully, the genetic modifications coming into play are going to make a lot of this moot in the coming years.

Date: 2013-12-22 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonchylde.livejournal.com
Sorry to comment so late but - yes, yes there is real hazard to humans when spraying or consuming something sprayed recently with toxic chemicals, I'm not sure how you can refute that but feel free to link to something.

And are you talking about genetically modified humans or plants?

Date: 2013-12-17 07:33 pm (UTC)
weswilson: (Magical Wes Animated)
From: [personal profile] weswilson
I'll bite... how it terrifying? I avoid handling my chicken before I cook it, I guess I should be afraid of it?
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Date: 2013-12-17 09:21 pm (UTC)
weswilson: (Magical Wes Animated)
From: [personal profile] weswilson
Chicken can have Salmonella... so I don't touch it till I cook it.

These crops are being sprayed with a chemical that can be harmful in large doses, but harmless is low doses... similar to the arsenic in almonds... will you eat almonds?

Date: 2013-12-18 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Oh shoot, I forgot about that, I better cut back...what is it that contains cyanide?

Date: 2013-12-18 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
Most seeds.

Date: 2013-12-18 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
those things crap every where and can peck pretty hard.

Date: 2013-12-18 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
The story that goes around is that the crops have been engineered to be more tolerant of pesticide, meaning that more can be used, meaning that so much is used that it actually "soaks in" and thus the normal washing and/or cooking process isn't going to get rid of as much as one would think - meaning a larger cumulative dose over time which has an effect on health.

I don't know if any of that is actually legitimate or not, but that's the argument being presented.

Date: 2013-12-18 05:58 pm (UTC)
weswilson: (Magical Wes Animated)
From: [personal profile] weswilson
That thought process is not supported by scientific evidence.

Even if it were, the amount that could be "soaked up" for a single serving at a single point in time would be far less than likely ingested were one openly exposing their hands and lungs to applying all the pesticide to an entire batch of crops. Again, it's not the substance, it's the dosage.

Date: 2013-12-18 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
Nod, that's the argument I've heard being made though. They insist that it's much like certain other substances that build up in the body over time, so that there's a cumulative effect (or that young children, with smaller bodies, are more affected by even small doses.) Like I said, I have no idea about the scientific validity of any of those arguments; I'm just answering the question: "'how is it terrifying' to the people arguing against it?" I'm not one of those folks because I have yet to be convinced that harm has been demonstrated.
Edited Date: 2013-12-18 07:39 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-12-18 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
Who were you replying to? They deleted their comments.

Date: 2013-12-18 10:38 pm (UTC)
weswilson: (Magical Wes Animated)
From: [personal profile] weswilson
Rainbow_Vagina

Date: 2013-12-17 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
FDA examining antibacterial soaps, body washes (http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/health/fda-antibacterial/)


Manufacturers of antibacterial hand soap and body wash will be required to prove their products are more effective than plain soap and water in preventing illness and the spread of infection, under a proposed rule announced Monday by the Food and Drug Administration. Those manufacturers also will be required to prove their products are safe for long-term use, the agency said. Further, some data suggest that long-term exposure to certain active ingredients used in antibacterial products -- for example, triclosan (liquid soaps) and triclocarban (bar soaps) -- could pose health risks, such as bacterial resistance or hormonal effects."
Edited Date: 2013-12-17 04:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-12-18 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
...they really don't understand why people wear those suits when spraying, do they?

Date: 2013-12-18 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadaria.livejournal.com
I find that a lot of people don't have a good understanding of how farming or agricultural industries work. Let alone chemistry.

Date: 2013-12-18 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
I don't disagree.

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