Date: 2013-12-14 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadaria.livejournal.com
Ike's interstate roads as function as airplane runways in times of need.

Date: 2013-12-14 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brother-dour.livejournal.com
And those big ol' shoulders and right-of-way space are great for temporarily housing troops or refugees. The entire interstate system was conceived and designed because of the pain in the butt it was to move men and material through Europe during World War II. Eisenhower didn't want the U.S. to have the same problem.

So the story goes.

Date: 2013-12-14 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadaria.livejournal.com
I'm so glad we love history here.

Date: 2013-12-14 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Agreed. Context matters.

Date: 2013-12-14 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catlin.livejournal.com
They can function in places as such actually. Just not the entire system, and not to all modern planes. I have seen small planes using the Kansas stretch of 70 in a pinch, but certainly not the Dream Liner that they accidentally landed at the local small air field in Wichita.

Date: 2013-12-15 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brother-dour.livejournal.com
Landing strip part is not true. Motivation for the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956 is true.
Edited Date: 2013-12-15 01:33 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-12-15 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
The comment I replied to was entirely about the landing strip part.

Date: 2013-12-14 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angry-scotsman.livejournal.com
I wonder how much of Ike's accomplishments and policy were a function of having been a real soldier instead of being one of the subsequent wannabes.

Date: 2013-12-14 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
The interstate highway definitely sprang from his Army experiences trying to get troops across the United States on crappy two lane roads, and then seeing the Autobahn in Germany during WW2.

Date: 2013-12-14 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brother-dour.livejournal.com
I see a pattern here of Conservatives being out of touch with what the majority of folks want is what I see.

Date: 2013-12-14 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
A "majority of folks" want what Conservatives want; they just don't know it yet.

Date: 2013-12-14 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
I've come to the conclusion that many vocal conservatives tend to just project their own internal issues when criticizing others.

For example, they're convinced the left see Obama as some kind of saint, mainly because they rewrote Reagan in their own image. They argue that the left want free handouts, because they're comfortable supporting things in the ACA as long as you don't bring money into the picture. They believe that "leftist media" is engaged in some worldwide conspiracy to besmirch the concept of conservatism, yet see nothing bizarre in FOX's War on Christmas arglebargle.

Etc.

Date: 2013-12-14 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Also, those same folks ignore the massive amount of corporate welfare, weapons programs that are basically red state jobs programs, building things like tanks that even the Pentagon doesn't want. And farm subsidies that end up benefitting millionaires.

Date: 2013-12-16 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
When those conservatives shriek about fema camps, being "loaded onto trains" or liberals "looking the other way when the trigger is pulled," it tells me a hell of a lot more about the space where these conservatives' minds exist than anything about liberals.

And it's kind of terrifying.

Date: 2013-12-14 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
It's what all the polls say!

Date: 2013-12-14 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
Conservatives wrote the ACA. Most Democrats are not liberals anymore.

Eisenhower was the last good Republican... and Carter was the last good Democrat.
Edited Date: 2013-12-14 05:24 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-12-14 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Conservatives wrote the basis of the ACA, but it doesn't also mean they didn't oppose it.

Date: 2013-12-15 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
Opposing it was just a show. The billionaires weren't making any headway buying Republicans, so they bought the Democrats and then set up the Tea Party to make the Dems look liberal while they passed the billionaires' legislation.

Date: 2013-12-15 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
And the lizardmen are behind it all!

Date: 2013-12-15 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
No. But your attitude helps the billionaires get away with it.

Date: 2013-12-15 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Okay then.

Date: 2013-12-15 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
The billionaires weren't making any headway buying Republicans, so they bought the Democrats and then set up the Tea Party to make the Dems look liberal while they passed the billionaires' legislation.

*sigh* [citation needed]
I mean, really, if you're going to propose something on the level of "The Report from Iron Mountain"...

Date: 2013-12-15 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
You've got to be kidding. Have you read the news at all for the last twenty years?

Date: 2013-12-15 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
Yes. First, you assume that all billionaires have the same agenda. Incorrect. You assume they all set up the Tea Party. Also, incorrect. You assume that said billionaires all have the same agenda. Also incorrect. You ignore the influence and power of other groups besides billionaires. Also incorrect. And finally, you conflate bribery and campaign contributions. Also incorrect.

Pro-tip: If you don't like corporations (not billionaires) having so much influence on politics on both sides of the aisle, then too bad. They have it because they're 70% of the GDP. Welcome to money.

Date: 2013-12-15 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
You won't like "too damn bad" when it goes the other way.

Date: 2013-12-15 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
*sigh* And what exactly do you mean "goes the other way"?
Expecting some sort of elimination of all corporations in favor of cottage industries and 7-10 employee operations?

Date: 2013-12-15 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
I'm thinking something more along the lines of the French Revolution.

Date: 2013-12-15 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
No, that won't be happening. The inequality gap has only reached the level that existed during the Gilded Age of the 1920s. Although reliable proxies for income data and distribution of income from 18th century France do not exist, it is estimated from the data we do have that the top 1% would need to own/control 85-88% of the available wealth for the gap to be similar.

Date: 2013-12-15 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mckavian.livejournal.com
Fundamentalism: The irrational fear, near phobia, that someone, somewhere is having fun.

Date: 2013-12-14 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
Efficient/cost-effective government is irrelevant because government is bad.

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