Date: 2013-12-01 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
I want medicare for all.

Date: 2013-12-01 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
I'll setting for a cup of coffee!

Date: 2013-12-02 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cinnamontoast.livejournal.com
I'd go for that. I don't think I'm going to live another 13 years before it kicks in for me. I'd take the increase in taxes for it too. It would be much less expensive in the long run for the cost of drugs and treatments.

.As for Obamacare, our new insurance starts in January and I can't wait. We'll be saving a ton of money that we'll be pouring right back into our small business. Our business partner will have health insurance for his family for the first time in years. All that and hopefully we'll be able to hire a part-time person to expand during 2014. I'm really sick of people talking about the ACA as if it's only going to benefit the "takers" in society. We aren't takers and it isn't.

If we had medicare for all there would be a lot less people chained to corporate America. There would be a LOT more innovation. There would be start-ups and more competition. Gee, tell me why we don't have that kind of health care.

Date: 2013-12-05 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Government healthcare encourages people to take risks, just like bankruptcy laws. Real citalists should be all over it, it's great for innovation.

Date: 2013-12-01 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Is that Spock? I don't get it.

Date: 2013-12-01 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
You could replace any TEDRALL cartoon with "Hur dur fuck Obama!" and it would probably be improved.

Date: 2013-12-01 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
Got a problem with your current health insurance?
Perfect solution: Go work for a Fortune/Global 500. Instant solve!

Date: 2013-12-01 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Ted Cruz approves this message.

Date: 2013-12-01 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
If you're an Obsolete, then you need to Delete!
;)

Date: 2013-12-02 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Well, kinda; the division of BofA my son worked for is only hiring back (some of the) people they laid off, as temps, to avoid paying people's current health plans.

Date: 2013-12-02 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
If everyone did that, then who would be left for the Fortune/Global 500s to prey upon?

Date: 2013-12-03 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
You mean to sell to? Each other, of course.

Date: 2013-12-03 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
Somebody has to make the stuff they sell. You can't base an entire economy on trading imaginary property for imaginary money. That only works for the parasitic parts.

Date: 2013-12-04 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
...who exactly do you think makes everything?

I'm not sure what you think, but my employer is a manufacturer. As a matter of fact, if you look at the first 100 of the Global list, you'll see that 60 or more of them are manufacturers or retailers. Same with the Fortune 500. If you look at the 500 lists in their entirety, you'll see that manufacturers and retailers are presented more than services or financial firms.

Who do you think actually makes everything? Small businesses with their 5-7 people working out of a garage? Just because BigCorp is replacing factory workers with robots and office peeps with software doesn't mean products aren't being made.

Date: 2013-12-04 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
"60 or more of them are manufacturers or retailers"

Okay. So how many are manufacturers?


"manufacturers and retailers are presented more than services or financial firms"

That's because large financial firms devour each other until there are only a few left to make the list.


"Just because BigCorp is replacing factory workers with robots and office peeps with software doesn't mean products aren't being made."

True, but this undermines against your idea that everyone should just get jobs at BigCorp.

Date: 2013-12-04 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
You seriously can't count them yourself? Christ, this is the only time I'm doing that for you. You have GOT to make some effort on your own.

Out of the first 50 of the Global 500, you have 42 corporations that manufacture.
Out of the first 50 of the Fortune 500, you have 27 corporations that manufacture.
If you seriously want detailed listings of all 1000 total on both lists, you can go Google it like everyone else.

That's because large financial firms devour each other until there are only a few left to make the list.

Well, yes, that's how you make a profit. You eliminate competition in the market by causing your competitors to either be absorbed or go out of business, then you dominate the market and charge what you want. That's called capitalism. Capitalism is decidedly not fair, nor was it ever supposed to be.

So essentially, I'm not seeing a problem there. That's the normal flow of capitalism in general. That's how it is in EVERY market.

True, but this undermines against your idea that everyone should just get jobs at BigCorp.

1) I work towards a technological future where unskilled labor is not required.
2) I assume people have the skills to be hired by BigCorp.
3) If you do not have the skills, then you are an Obsolete. As I said, if you are an Obsolete, you need to Delete!

Date: 2013-12-04 04:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
Because I always say (and type) these things while maniacally grinning.
And that is absolutely true.

Now whether that means I'm engaging in pure schadenfreude while being serious or am joking is actually dependent on what side of the bed I woke up on.

Date: 2013-12-04 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
"If you are an Obsolete, you need to Delete!"

What you don't seem to understand is that the thing they're going to delete is you.

Date: 2013-12-04 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
Only if my skills go obsolete.
I've planned against that moment. Have you?

Date: 2013-12-04 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
Your skills won't be relevant when a mob drags you into the street and executes you.
Edited Date: 2013-12-04 11:56 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-12-04 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
Now you're projecting. Ain't going to happen, bro. You didn't see it happen when the steam drill replaced John Henry, nor when buggy whip makers went out of business. It's just how technology flows.

Date: 2013-12-04 12:33 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-12-01 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
Rall does not own a ruler?

Date: 2013-12-01 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
That's a sad thought...

Date: 2013-12-02 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cinnamontoast.livejournal.com
Rall is trying too hard.

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