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[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

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[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

yes yes, all about the menz. I get it. Y'all got worries too.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

condescension much?

the whole world aint rainbows n kittens for men. yes male privledge exists, but that dont mean mens issues are unreal

[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

never said they weren't. Never.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

and glenn beck never said obama likes to kick puppies, he was just asking questions!


you came off sarcastically, as if you were demeaning the very real situation that men (like myself) are in when it comes to body issue

and i wont claim its a mens only issuel and neither is absurd considerations regarding a potential partners income.
(again, in fairness, both genders deal with it--but not necessarily in same way)

[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

I have three boys two of whom carry a very real genetic anomaly which makes them prone to bullying, teasing and rejection because of their physical appearance. There is no way in hell I would demean the male side of things, but that wasn't what you were talking about at all. YOu jumped in on the "women like men with money better" and that's about it.

[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

but congratulations on heavily side-tracking the entire thread so you could make your strident point. We're all in awe. Well, no not really. But hey, points for you.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

incorrect.

someone else made the claim, and when it was not believed i defended the factually accurate claim

[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

I REPEAT: YOU JUMPED IN ON IT

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm offended. I saw this and read it as equating men's body issues with women's, as in, men have body issues perpetuated by society too.

But because this is about men having the same issue as women, it becomes a women's issue and we're not allowed to talk about men? So exactly when do we get to talk about the genderfication of men?

You're white, so maybe you should stop talking about privilege and being downtrodden if only those who get it worst are allowed to talk.

[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

that's not what I got at all: "real women have curves" is a debate that's been raging for a while and its well known Dove has been on a PR campaign trying to appear as if they care about women's body issues. So this looked clearly to me as a poke in the direction of "you women are so ridiculous with this shit, look how silly it is when applied to men" which is a very effective critical tool; a similar thing was done with a TV ad wherein a series of average-looking men are shown saying very cliche but common women body complaints like "I have my mother's thighs, I have to accept that" and "everything makes me look fat" etc its an effective poke because the men look RIDICULOUS saying those things because 1) men don't say those things 2) they are ridiculous things to say

This looked just like the same thing to me. Very effective critical tool in showing women how ridiculous the whole "real women have curves" argument is

[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

notice it says "LADIES,..." not "GUYS..."

I think that makes it very clear that this is pointed at women.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

You think men don't say those things?

I've tried to say a few things after that, but I've deleted it a few times because it keeps coming across snarky, mean or rude, because it sounds like you're trying to say that men don't have body image issues.

I think the very point that's being made here is that men have exactly the same body issues as women. I know men aren't as highly sexualised by the media, but the idea that men aren't constantly bombarded with advertising and social pressure to have a perfect body is so 1950.

[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

I have said more than once I am not saying that, but good job turning this in to a chance for me to look defensive.

You completely skipped what I said: this meme is directed at women. Instead you turn this into a chance to attack a strawman. Because, as I said in the beginning; its all about the menz huh?
Post a meme about men's body issues, I will happily champion the cause right along with you. This meme isn't about that. period.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

You completely skipped what I said: this meme is directed at women.

I disagree with you, I think it's a meme using a meme about women to make a point about the similarities between issues faced by men and women.

Do you know much about Derrida's theories of literary deconstruction? Authorial intent isn't as important as reader interpretation. I interpret this meme in the way I'm interpreting it. I'm not trying to say that you are wrong, just that you're not the final arbiter of meaning and to disregard how I read it is offensive and demeaning.


its all about the menz huh?

Like, do you understand how offensive that is? That's the line used by people to minimise and reject that men could ever have an issue with sexism and genderfication. If this were a post that was obviously about male body issues then there would be people making juxtapositions with women's body issues and nobody would be saying "oh, poor wimminz", at least, nobody would say it without a flood of abuse following after it.

I feel like you're taking the genuine feelings that myself and many other men feel about pressure over body issues and saying "it doesn't matter, women have it worse", which is pretty much what happens when any man ever tries to say that they feel genderfied. You're marginalising a serious issue that we're already not allowed to talk about in most circumstances, because we're men, we've got all the privilege and we're supposed to be tough and not talk about our emotions.

Try being a little empathetic towards other's for once, not everything is about you.