Native American protests at an Arizona Illegal Immigration Rally

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Pushing a toddler in a stroller, a rightfully irritated self-identified Native American began yelling at the group, saying: “Y’all f*cking illegal. You’re all illegal. You’re all illegal! We didn’t invite none of you here!” Some of the audio may not be work safe, so be warned.

Comments

[morgulis.livejournal.com]

he was protesting the protestors

Yes, he was protesting the protestors but with what idea? Protesters were against illegal immigrants. Therefore those who is against protesters should support illegal immigration. But this guy didn't say "everybody welcome", right? He said "We didn’t invite none of you".

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Yeah, an example of you being pedantic, and not understanding the broader point he was making.

You can't parse the nuance of the statement unfortunately.

[morgulis.livejournal.com]

A likely drunk person who starts his speech with "Y’all f*cking..." doesn't look like a person whose words contain any additional sense and nuances. That's just primitive aggression.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Completely speculative and not based on any collaborative evidence.

[morgulis.livejournal.com]

And your opinion that the message "Y’all f*cking illegal... We didn’t invite none of you here!" contains "broader point" and "nuances" is based on which evidence?

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Protesters were against illegal immigrants

Yeah, see, he doesn't agree that they are any less "illegal". Try to get your head around that. No one is illegal.

[morgulis.livejournal.com]

No one is illegal.

Any law says so or you just think so?

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

I just think so. And please explain the "legality" of raping, killing, pillaging and spreading disease, destroying crops, and so forth to displace an indigenous population.

If you cannot justify it, then you are taking baby steps to seeing the irony the native american was pointing out.

[morgulis.livejournal.com]

And please explain the "legality" of raping, killing, pillaging and spreading disease, destroying crops, and so forth to displace an indigenous population.

That were crimes in contemporary understanding. That happened. So what to do now? Select people of particular race and proclaim them guilty?

I don't understand your logic. The land was stolen from Native Americans, Europeans populated it, making Native Americans a small minority. So if it was a crime you should support the idea of returning the land to it owners. Instead, you support the idea of further settlement of the land without any limit. This process will change the status of Indians from "small minority" to "microscopic minority". Will this be fair to indigenous population?

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Well, forcefully taking land to prove that forcefully taking land is wrong has no small irony either.

But that is basically the Native American dude's point. The protesters should learn to fucking share.