Date: 2012-08-08 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebigbadbutch.livejournal.com
A lot of these businesses are getting money from the Department of Defense or the Department of Veterans Affairs. I am pretty sure conservatives don't consider those the government. Anything that has to do defense comes from America's independent freedom associations of freedom and independence.

Date: 2012-08-08 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Obama needs to control the message. As true as this is, its still being used effectively against him, which is silly.

Date: 2012-08-08 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
By tuning for the warp.

He could try to turn it back on Romney. Its not like he's got a great plan himself.
Edited Date: 2012-08-08 08:05 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-08 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
It's being used against him because it's so blatantly ridiculous and, frankly, insulting. Everyone knows roads exist. His attempt to backtrack and act as if the context makes him sound better simply keeps it in the spotlight.

He shouldn't have opened his mouth like that period.

Date: 2012-08-08 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
If you think the context helps, that's your call. It makes him look like more of an asshole, but maybe voters like that.

I'm not the least bit shocked that Politifact can't get it right, though. Not the first time, won't be the last.

Date: 2012-08-08 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
There's no source Jeff won't attack, short of his beloved Fox Lulz

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/31/dems-hold-ground-on-didnt-build-that-tap-warren-for-convention-speech/

Date: 2012-08-09 12:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
Jeff's right though. Everything we have today could have been done better and sooner by bootstraps. Businesses acting in the quarterly interest of the shareholders always act with vision and development in mind.

Date: 2012-08-09 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com
well, private industry wouldn't have wasted so much time and money on things lke providing electricity to all citizens, paving roads in backwater counties and providing access to emergency personnel to all citizens equally. That's a lot of money that could have gone back into someone's pockets. Pfft.

Date: 2012-08-10 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
Rural mail delivery?!?! PFFT

Fair and speedy trial? show me the money!

Date: 2012-08-10 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com
You speak my language Mr Libertelic

Date: 2012-08-09 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

**The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.*** There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia

And past-Romney agrees!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSWm2qZ8Oc

Date: 2012-08-09 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I continue to love the idea that the full context somehow makes him sound better.

Date: 2012-08-09 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamwarrior.livejournal.com
For people who are able to entertain multiple ideas at once, it does. I can understand how that could be overwhelming for some people, though.

Date: 2012-08-09 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
The problem is not the multiple ideas, it's the order of importance people like Obama and Warren seem to be putting the ideas in.

If you think the government/social contributions are more important than the actual ideas or effort, you've got a really poor worldview.

Date: 2012-08-09 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamwarrior.livejournal.com
Good thing no one said that.

Date: 2012-08-09 03:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
As long as you ignore the full context.

Date: 2012-08-09 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamwarrior.livejournal.com
Weren't you just bleating on about how the context is irrelevant?

Date: 2012-08-09 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
No, I was saying how the context doesn't make the statement sound any better.

Date: 2012-08-09 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Read the threads you reply to moar.

Date: 2012-08-09 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamwarrior.livejournal.com
In the thread I read, you disregarded context. Convenient for you only for a short period of time, it seems.

Date: 2012-08-09 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Clearly, you didn't read it. Or, if you did, you utterly failed to comprehend it.

Unfortunate.

Date: 2012-08-09 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamwarrior.livejournal.com
I chose bits and pieces that helped me make my point - much like your'e doing with Obama's statements about building businesses.

Date: 2012-08-09 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
No, I'm using his full statement, the damning one that it is.

Date: 2012-08-09 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamwarrior.livejournal.com
And what is it, in your mind, that the damning statement is?

Date: 2012-08-09 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
http://politicartoons.livejournal.com/3200505.html?thread=74055673#t74055673

Date: 2012-08-09 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamwarrior.livejournal.com
And what is, in your mind, is the order of importance that Obama is presenting?

Date: 2012-08-08 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] udoswald.livejournal.com
If these intrepid business owners really did build it all by themselves, I'm sure they won't mind losing all their government contracts and all other forms of government support. Surely they can continue operating without those things since they're all self-sufficient. Of course we'll also have to tear up the roads that lead to their businesses and homes since those are government intrusions on their liberty. They can surely build those roads back up themselves.

Date: 2012-08-09 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kip-w.livejournal.com


Reg: But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, viniculture, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

PFJ Member: Brought peace?

Reg: Oh, peace? SHUT UP!
Edited Date: 2012-08-09 12:52 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-09 09:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cursethedark.livejournal.com
No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Even--and I want to make this absolutely clear--even if they DO say "Jehovah!"

Date: 2012-08-08 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadaria.livejournal.com
I'll take care to remember that all these businesses did it all by themselves when I choose to pay a little less and go to wal-mart instead :P
No really, I worked for a very small internet based company that competed effectively with the big boys and the only reason we were (still are) successful is because of the client base and how we cater to them. I remember this every time I hit up a local business and get treated poorly (looking at you sexist gun shop, you suck!).

Date: 2012-08-09 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

**The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.*** There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia

And past-Romney agrees!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSWm2qZ8Oc

Date: 2012-08-10 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kip-w.livejournal.com
And past-Romney agrees!

You can prove anything in the world by finding footage of Romney agreeing with it.

Date: 2012-08-09 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Midwest Tape also gets a great deal of its income by selling materials to public libraries. More taxpayer dollars! (Which, incidentally, are outsourcing the preparation of those materials from your local community as library budgets are cut.)

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