What George Zimmerman did to Trayvon Martin is the moral (and probably legal) equivalent of what Barack Obama did to Anwar al-Awlaki and at least two other US citizens. I'm baffled and disturbed by the lack of outrage over the latter.
the moral (and probably legal) equivalent of what Barack Obama
Yeah, law says no. And several moral systems would disagree too. Yes, yes, we all know how you feel your moral system and thoughts on legality (and those that agree with it) are the only right ones.
So, pray tell... in which moral system is it permissible to kill someone entirely on the killer's word that the victim was behaving in a threatening manner?
Why ask me? I don't have knowledge of the entire 7 billion moral systems extant. Variants of nihilism, I'm sure. Chinese legalism. Bushido, depending on sincerity.
Yep, sweet tea and skittles are the equivalent of going between safehouses of known militants with intent to cause violence against American citizens. You're much better than this petty logical fallacy. Whether or not one likes this policy. Your argument is flawed.
Allegedly. The similarity is that in both cases, we have only the killer's word that the victim was in any way suspicious.
Oh please; you were in the military and you know there's constant SIGINT on all that, more video footage then you would find in a 50-year-old peeping tom's collection. You're just ticked off because you don't get a look at the classified intel and you can't make the government show it to you.
No, I don't know all that. All I have is the government's word that there's a single shred of evidence implicating al-Awlaki in anything.
But you're right about one thing: I am ticked off that this alleged intel was not unclassified and shown to the public before al-Awlaki was killed in our name. Very, very ticked off. And rightfully so.
Yes, because Trayvon Martin was working for Al Qaeda and George Zimmerman is Commander in Chief of the armed forces at war with them. It wouldn't at all surprise me if George Zimmerman believed something very similar in his tiny, diseased mind.
Barack Obama says al-Awlaki was working for Al-Qaeda. George Zimmerman says Trayvon Martin was behaving suspiciously. Why do you believe one and not the other? I think they're both shitbag liars on a power trip.
Because one is vetted by SIGINT and HUMINT and the other wasn't. There isn't any doubt that al-Awlaki was a member of Al Qaeda. Even before 9/11, he was known to be affiliated with them and acted as a recruiter. It's not just our government who claimed that either.
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Date: 2012-03-23 10:45 pm (UTC)Yeah, law says no.
And several moral systems would disagree too.
Yes, yes, we all know how you feel your moral system and thoughts on legality (and those that agree with it) are the only right ones.
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Date: 2012-03-24 02:00 am (UTC)Allegedly.
The similarity is that in both cases, we have only the killer's word that the victim was in any way suspicious.
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Date: 2012-03-24 02:07 am (UTC)The similarity is that in both cases, we have only the killer's word that the victim was in any way suspicious.
Oh please; you were in the military and you know there's constant SIGINT on all that, more video footage then you would find in a 50-year-old peeping tom's collection. You're just ticked off because you don't get a look at the classified intel and you can't make the government show it to you.
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Date: 2012-03-24 02:13 am (UTC)But you're right about one thing: I am ticked off that this alleged intel was not unclassified and shown to the public before al-Awlaki was killed in our name. Very, very ticked off. And rightfully so.
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Date: 2012-03-24 04:33 am (UTC)Here's (http://www.metafilter.com/90796/Is-Anwar-alAwlaki-a-meddlesome-prei-imam) your (http://www.metafilter.com/94370/Saving-Anwar) outrage (http://www.metafilter.com/107918/Anwar-alAwlaki-killed-in-Yemen).
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