Derp!!!

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

I am LOVING this scandal because of how it's exposing how many on the right view women.

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[yelena-r0ssini.livejournal.com]

If you linked to Dr. Champion, she made it clear that the issue at the heart of this problem was female reproductive health. She made no mention of religious freedom exemptions being an option for any medication or procedure that didn't involve the female reproductive system. So did you link to the wrong thing or did you bank on me not actually reading what you linked?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

If you linked to Dr. Champion, she made it clear that the issue at the heart of this problem was female reproductive health. She made no mention of religious freedom exemptions being an option for any medication or procedure that didn't involve the female reproductive system. So did you link to the wrong thing or did you bank on me not actually reading what you linked?

I'll quote it again, since you must have missed it the first time:

"This is not about politics, this is not about contraception, and this is not about depriving women of health care. Rather, this is personal. This is about my daily life as a physician, a Christian, and a Medical Services Director. Whether I will be able as a physician to practice medicine within my belief system. Whether Calvin College will be able to continue its historic tradition of living out the faith it teaches. A government that is of the people, by the people, and for the people, should not force the people to violate their consciences."

[yelena-r0ssini.livejournal.com]

And I'll quote as well: "This contraceptive mandate jeopardizes our commitment to international students who would be negatively affected by the college not being able to provide a health insurance option to them."

"I am concerned about the many specific facets of these regulations and I am
concerned as a health provider about the wide sweeping regulatory overreach that the mandate on contraceptives signals."

"Further, the mandate elevates contraception and abortive drugs to the level of preventative health care. They are not. Plan B and Ella should not be considered equivalent to cancer screening or vaccinations. Pregnancy is not a disease. This is a premise that I reject both religiously and medically."

She does not voice any opposition to any medical procedures that do not involve the female reproductive system ANYWHERE in her testimony, and Word of Jeff can't alter the text that's there.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

She does not voice any opposition to any medical procedures that do not involve the female reproductive system ANYWHERE in her testimony, and Word of Jeff can't alter the text that's there.

Again, the mandate put in place is about contraceptives. Was she not supposed to talk about this mandate's impact? She talks about it specifically, and mandates generally. She does exactly what you want her to do.

[yelena-r0ssini.livejournal.com]

This has nothing to do with what *I* want, and your goalpost-oscillating is getting annoying. YOU are the one who claimed that this panel, and this dispute, weren't about contraception or gender politics, not at all, not the tiniest bit, until the Left derailed everything and made up lies about what the panel was about. YOU are factually wrong about that. If you want to claim that the Right only pushed back on contraception in an effort to oppose mandates in general, knock yourself out, but you can't claim that the dispute isn't about contraception.

(Well, I suppose you can, but it will make as much sense as any of your other "Your direct quotes are lies" loops so eventually there'll be no grounds for sane discussion.)

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

YOU are the one who claimed that this panel, and this dispute, weren't about contraception or gender politics, not at all, not the tiniest bit, until the Left derailed everything and made up lies about what the panel was about. YOU are factually wrong about that. If you want to claim that the Right only pushed back on contraception in an effort to oppose mandates in general, knock yourself out, but you can't claim that the dispute isn't about contraception.

The dispute is not about contraception. The mandate is about contraception, thus there's discussion about what the mandate entails. The dispute is about the violation of religious freedom.

[yelena-r0ssini.livejournal.com]

See, you're going for mind-reading here. You are presuming on the motivations of the people who want exemptions to keep from having insurance coverage for contraception. You are assuming that because YOU would be okay with these exemptions being extended to any other medicine because of any other stated religious belief, they are too. And hey, for all I know, you're right about that. But in arguing what you think they're thinking, you are flatly denying what they are DOING. They are opposing mandatory insurance coverage for contraception. That's it, full stop. They might be opposing it because they want to avoid having to offer insurance coverage for other services but that is not something that is self-evident from their actions. You CANNOT SAY that this is not about contraception when contraception is the ONLY mandated service that has sparked this response.