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[dwer.livejournal.com]

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[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Strange that people who say I should be forced to have health insurance don't care if I have an ID

— PoliticalMath (@politicalmath) December 14, 2011 (https://twitter.com/politicalmath/status/147050059282923520)

[dwer.livejournal.com]

your lack of ID doesn't cost the rest of us thousands of dollars.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

How hard should it be to vote?

[dwer.livejournal.com]

well, with people like this, that's a very difficult question to answer. So much is related. Skin color, economic status, and political affiliation, to start.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

Hey now, don't ascribe those kind of thoughts to Jeff! He doesn't think that, he just votes for it.

[sable-twilight.livejournal.com]

It's possible Jeff just does not get how his grand plan would essentually create a poll tax in everything but name, which may mean a lack of critical thought on the topic...

[fornikate.livejournal.com]

nah, he just doesn't believe that those things are related to voting.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Honestly? Harder than we're making it. I think people should register at their town hall, they should have to register a set time before the elections (no same day registration), absentee ballots should be handed out sparingly and with cause, and voting should happen on one day, not with "early voting" or other nonsense, and they should show an ID to verify their identity to do so.

Everyone who is an adult citizen should have the right to vote. The method in doing so should be equal across all voters, and that's that. Make it secure and predictable.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

Harder than we're making it.

Why?


Make it secure...

How is the current process not secure?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Why?

Security purposes.

How is the current process not secure?

In some places, you don't need to even prove residency or citizenship to register. Registration drives certainly aren't careful.

Without a voter ID, if I know your name and address, I can simply walk up, say I'm you, and vote as you. Who's going to stop me?

With one specific day, registering in one specific place, you reduce the amount of foolishness available to try and disenfranchise people. It's just common sense.

[kip-w.livejournal.com]

Why?

Because the harder they make it, the less the "wrong" kind of people will vote. You know. "Them."

[dwer.livejournal.com]

you've got it exactly backwards. As usual.

[sable-twilight.livejournal.com]

"I think people should regster at their town hall"

And what if they live in an unincorporated area?

I live in a little suburb which is nestled between three other cities and townships. Our county government building is 20 miles away. If I did not have a vehicle, taking mass transit would take an hour and a half.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

And what if they live in an unincorporated area?

Then wherever they would do official business, like pay taxes or get permits.

[farchivist.livejournal.com]

think people should register at their town hall, they should have to register a set time before the elections (no same day registration), absentee ballots should be handed out sparingly and with cause, and voting should happen on one day, not with "early voting" or other nonsense, and they should show an ID to verify their identity to do so.

The state of Georgia would like to introduce you to its modern non-Diebold electronic voting system that validates who you are in accordance with the information held on file with the Vital Records Office at the GA Department of Public Health. Scan the barcode on the back of your driver's license or state-issued ID card and boom, you may vote for the items for your district. No need to register a set time. No need to register at a town hall. Absentee ballots can be verified without problem. Early voting is not a problem.

I understand that you like the pen-and-paper method the Anti-Federalists used way back in the day, but the least y'all could do is get to the level of us dumb Georgia hicks.

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

Requiring people to have insurance fixes a real problem.

Voter ID laws fixes a fake problem.

Big difference.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I'd argue that you've reversed those.

[byrontengu.livejournal.com]

understand that I am not a fan of the individual mandate here, but how is not having insurance not a real problem. In every way it is a real problem.

As for voter ID, I have yet to see this being a real problem, though I can imagine that it might be. The drive to make voting more difficult as a general rule should be examined thoroughly, surely you should agree with that. You don't really trust an entrenched government power to make decisions about who could vote them out of office, do you?

I don't see the problem with early voting, so long as it can be secure, and I don't see how absentee voting is a problem at all, again, so long as it can be secure.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

understand that I am not a fan of the individual mandate here, but how is not having insurance not a real problem. In every way it is a real problem.

Insurance isn't care. The problems with our health care in the US have less to do with the uninsured and have more to do with runaway costs that are growing for many reasons that aren't really related to insurance.

The drive to make voting more difficult as a general rule should be examined thoroughly, surely you should agree with that.

Perhaps. Then again, I don't necessarily think what I'm looking for is difficult, per se - it's just tragically simply right now.

You don't really trust an entrenched government power to make decisions about who could vote them out of office, do you?

A good point, but if the elected officials aren't the ones running the election, I don't see too much of a problem with it. I'm not sure where the alternative would lie.

I don't see the problem with early voting, so long as it can be secure, and I don't see how absentee voting is a problem at all, again, so long as it can be secure.

Absentee voting, especially by mail, is super-problematic. I can't think of a less secure method that is used other than the postal service.

Early voting I get. If the ID requirement is in place and registration happens ahead of time, I can see why people wouldn't have as much of an issue from a security standpoint.

[madscience.livejournal.com]

Not having access to health care is a real problem. Being forced to pay into the system that created the problem is not the solution.

[farchivist.livejournal.com]

Specification Required: ID for what, exactly?

[unnamed525.livejournal.com]

The level of hypocrisy in the Republican party never ceases to amaze me.

[nothingmuch.livejournal.com]

AND how many kids you have, and what religion you can practice...

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

...and whether you have to bring a pregnancy to term, and whether pap smears (which are just like manicures and facials) should be covered under new health insurance rules.

I'll counter with one of my own. How many straight white men does it take to screw in a lightbulb....

...None! They just stand still and expect the world to revolve around them. Because it always has, don't you know.

[donolectic.livejournal.com]

They just stand still and expect the world to revolve around them. Because it always has, don't you know.

Which is what they really mean when they talk about returning to traditional values.