What bugs me is when people put those little American flags on their cars, but then they just leave them there until they get all ratty and threadbare and dirty. If you want to show pride in your country by puting a flag on your car, cool, but at least keep it nice-looking.
i think that the concept that my opposition to war means i don't support our troops is bullshit. However, as much as the yellow ribbons bug me at times, some people have them on their car because they know somebody thats over there, and i've seen some people with the yellow ribbon AND a "war is immoral" sticker or something.
What REALLY bugs me are these ribbons i've been seeing lately that are red white and blue, and say "freedom isn't free."
and i've seen some people with the yellow ribbon AND a "war is immoral" sticker or something.
I got a laugh on my way to vote last year, when I saw a truck with a "Kerry/Edwards" sticker along with a "Support the Troops" sticker. It's either one or the other.
btw, how can you support the troops, but not the war? That's always puzzled me. Either you want our troops to succeed in their mission, or you don't. If you don't believe in the war, then why would you support our troops in accomplishing a goal you don't believe in?
i would think by wishing the troops were not in harms way, i am supporting them. Just because a person believes that the Bush administration is corrupt and deceitful, and fears the belligerent President we have, doesn't mean they don't support the troops. Afterall, by voting against a president who seems to have the intent to send our troops in harms way for his own pointless causes, i would think they are doing all they can.
Either you want our troops to succeed in their mission, or you don't. If you don't believe in the war, then why would you support our troops in accomplishing a goal you don't believe in?
I do hope they succeed, in fact. I hope that our troops complete every task handed to them without a single casualty. And i also hope that in the years to come they are able to live their lives in peace, without having been given tasks.
I guess what i'm trying to say is that i find our leaders immoral and out of touch, for they are the ones deciding to send people to die for oil. but my heart goes out to any and all that suffer through the war in iraq.
i prefer the military bumper stickers that say "half my heart is in Iraq" that shows humanity, rather than the yellow ribbon on the car that people make a profite off of;.
If this is a war for oil, you'd never know it from what we're paying at the pump these days. Plus, it's worthwile to point out that war actually isn't very good for the economy under most circumstances. That's largely a myth perpetrated by the belief the World War II brought us out of the Great Depression.
Anyway, I agree with the sentiment that sending the troops things they need is a hell of a lot better than putting ribbons on your car (it seems that every cause has a ribbon these days). One of the things the troops are in need of are decent OEM magazines for their Beretta M9 pistols. The GI mags are aftermarket junk, and are prone to jamming in desert conditions. One interesting note is, that before the expiration of the assault weapons ban, it was impossible for friends or families of our soldiers to buy standard capacity magazines (at a reasonable price) and send them over there.
Sending soldiers personal armament to make up for deficiencies in the military procurement system has been part of every war this country has fought, but it's becoming more difficult because of increasing restrictions on civilians obtaining these kinds of items. Certainly there are many things soldiers can use in terms of every day common items, but nothing helps bring soldiers home like basic survival equipment.
Is there a list someplace of non-official items soldiers in Iraq have found useful? I'm curious if there's something similar to how the Tommy Gun was in WW2 and the early Vietnam War.
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I picked up on the magazine issue from <a href="http://www.defense-training.com/quips/2004/30Oct04.html>this source</a>:<blockquote><i>What deployed Marines need:
Cold Steel, Emerson knives, fixed and folding White socks, Dry lube, Hoppe's, Outer's, Remington 9mm and 223 Boresnake, Beretta OEM 92F normal-capacity magazines, Leatherman tools, Surefire flashlights, LED "soft" lights</i></blockquote>
<a href="http://www.blackfive.net/">Blackfive</a> reports that <a href="http://www.blackfive.net/main/2004/11/wounded_marines.html">wounded soldiers really could use</a>:<blockquote><i>nonperishable food (snacks and candy), DVDs, all sizes of batteries, phone cards, Game Boy games, books and magazines, Domino's Pizza gift certificates (they deliver on base), towels and wash cloths, and hygiene gear (razors and shaving cream)</i></blockquote>
There's lots of things on a lot of military sites describing what soldiers can use.
This is an interesting topic for which I have mixed feelings. In a way it's kinda like those "Livestrong" bracelets that everyone wears to look cool. How many of those people have ever actually given more than one dollar (the cost of the bracelet) to that cause? But because it looks 'cool' and makes them look like a benevolent soul, they gladly 'donate.' My fiance has been to Iraq once and has to go back again in the Fall, the yellow ribbon magnets irk him because he says it's always someone with one of those on their vehicle that get in his way on the road. However, I have one on my vehicle and I tell him that if he doesn't like it he can shut up.
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Date: 2005-01-28 12:16 pm (UTC)But I will admit, if I had a car, I'd put a hockey ribbon on it.
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Date: 2005-01-28 02:07 pm (UTC)What REALLY bugs me are these ribbons i've been seeing lately that are red white and blue, and say "freedom isn't free."
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Date: 2005-01-29 01:21 am (UTC)I got a laugh on my way to vote last year, when I saw a truck with a "Kerry/Edwards" sticker along with a "Support the Troops" sticker. It's either one or the other.
btw, how can you support the troops, but not the war? That's always puzzled me. Either you want our troops to succeed in their mission, or you don't. If you don't believe in the war, then why would you support our troops in accomplishing a goal you don't believe in?
and say "freedom isn't free."
It's actually a buck-0-five.
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Date: 2005-01-29 01:52 am (UTC)Either you want our troops to succeed in their mission, or you don't. If you don't believe in the war, then why would you support our troops in accomplishing a goal you don't believe in?
I do hope they succeed, in fact. I hope that our troops complete every task handed to them without a single casualty. And i also hope that in the years to come they are able to live their lives in peace, without having been given tasks.
I guess what i'm trying to say is that i find our leaders immoral and out of touch, for they are the ones deciding to send people to die for oil. but my heart goes out to any and all that suffer through the war in iraq.
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Date: 2005-01-28 03:06 pm (UTC)"half my heart is in Iraq"
that shows humanity, rather than the yellow ribbon on the car
that people make a profite off of;.
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Date: 2005-01-28 03:38 pm (UTC)Anyway, I agree with the sentiment that sending the troops things they need is a hell of a lot better than putting ribbons on your car (it seems that every cause has a ribbon these days). One of the things the troops are in need of are decent OEM magazines for their Beretta M9 pistols. The GI mags are aftermarket junk, and are prone to jamming in desert conditions. One interesting note is, that before the expiration of the assault weapons ban, it was impossible for friends or families of our soldiers to buy standard capacity magazines (at a reasonable price) and send them over there.
Sending soldiers personal armament to make up for deficiencies in the military procurement system has been part of every war this country has fought, but it's becoming more difficult because of increasing restrictions on civilians obtaining these kinds of items. Certainly there are many things soldiers can use in terms of every day common items, but nothing helps bring soldiers home like basic survival equipment.
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Date: 2005-01-28 06:34 pm (UTC)Cold Steel, Emerson knives, fixed and folding White socks, Dry lube, Hoppe's, Outer's, Remington 9mm and 223 Boresnake, Beretta OEM 92F normal-capacity magazines, Leatherman tools, Surefire flashlights, LED "soft" lights</i></blockquote>
<a href="http://www.blackfive.net/">Blackfive</a> reports that <a href="http://www.blackfive.net/main/2004/11/wounded_marines.html">wounded soldiers really could use</a>:<blockquote><i>nonperishable food (snacks and candy), DVDs, all sizes of batteries, phone cards, Game Boy games, books and magazines, Domino's Pizza gift certificates (they deliver on base), towels and wash cloths, and hygiene gear (razors and shaving cream)</i></blockquote>
There's lots of things on a lot of military sites describing what soldiers can use.
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Date: 2005-01-28 06:45 pm (UTC)As a follow-up, do you know of any organizations which are accepting donations of items like these and getting them to troops that need them?
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