Date: 2005-01-16 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supersaiyanjing.livejournal.com
What did you think Gulf War I was about? If we WERE fighting for oil, I think we'd have more allies.

Date: 2005-01-16 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkblood777.livejournal.com
Nowadays it's not cool to be friends with the United States.

[insert Darth Vader theme here]

And with that I think it's not necessarily for the oil, but for the massive profits that the Bush family and their friends will make off this invasion.

Date: 2005-01-16 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmmmjournal.livejournal.com
*slap*

Go back to your Michael Moore fan club meeting. It's not about the Bush family making a profit; they were already set for life financially before he even ran for President.

Date: 2005-01-16 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnraptor.livejournal.com
Don't take this the wrong way because (at the moment) I'm not arguing for or against any particular theory about Gulf war I or II, but... Saying that a rich family would not engage in unethical practices for profit because they are already set for life is a weak argument at best. Rich men, families and companies are always after more money, even if their grandchildren's grandchildren are set for life. Again, I'm not necissarily saying that's what either Gulf War was about. I'm just saying that rich people are always trying to get richer and powerful people are always trying to get more power.

Date: 2005-01-16 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-pen-theory.livejournal.com
rich people are evil. i'm glad i fall under the "middle class" category, since i'm not rich i do nothing to advance my own wealth

Date: 2005-01-16 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnraptor.livejournal.com
Sarcastic? Not sarcastic? It's so hard to tell, in writing.

Just to clarify, my point was not that rich people are inherently evil or that trying to enhance ones wealth is a bad thing. I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense to argue that rich people who don't NEED any more money wouldn't try to advance their wealth more, because they obviously do. Thus, the argument that a rich person wouldn't do something underhanded for profit just because he's already rich doesn't hold water.

Date: 2005-01-16 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkblood777.livejournal.com
There is no good and evil, friend. There is only love, hate, fear, and greed. Quite a large amount of a person's suffering comes from the desirous attachment to material possessions.

Date: 2005-01-16 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmmmjournal.livejournal.com
How easily you liberals confuse liberating a nation from a murderous dictatorship with America's need for oil. You should be ashamed.

Date: 2005-01-16 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wiltedwater.livejournal.com
What does your icon say in the split second before the "sincerely, an evil Rep.."?

Date: 2005-01-16 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkblood777.livejournal.com
They want tolerance and respect from us. They never said anything about giving it out.

Date: 2005-01-16 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkblood777.livejournal.com
Hmm, now that I take a closer look I believe it says "Trust Bush". I'm afraid I have a hard time trusting Bush. I also have a hard time believing that being a hardcore drinker until he was 40 did not have any adverse effects on his judgment.

Date: 2005-01-23 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aqua-cat.livejournal.com
It says :

"Evil Subliminal Message

TRUST BUSH

Evil Subliminal Message"

Date: 2005-01-23 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wiltedwater.livejournal.com
Haha! Oh, that's great.

Date: 2005-01-16 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somefantastic10.livejournal.com
i was going to post this but livejournal was down. one of my favorite nonseq comics in a long time.

Date: 2005-01-16 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnraptor.livejournal.com
Thank you. This made me laugh.

Date: 2005-01-16 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-pen-theory.livejournal.com
i'm enjoying all the cheap, glorious oil we're getting from afghanistan


wait

Date: 2005-01-16 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericeingold.livejournal.com
How 'bout the 7 billion dollars of opium? Do you enjoy that?

Date: 2005-01-16 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supersaiyanjing.livejournal.com
only when it's been purified to heroin.

Date: 2005-01-16 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericeingold.livejournal.com
Growing opium instead of food is a great idea. Esp. when the peasants see the money trickle down to them...

Date: 2005-01-16 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-pen-theory.livejournal.com
bush and cheney make money off opium too??

Date: 2005-01-16 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ericeingold.livejournal.com
Remains to be seen. I know in Columbia, American drug companies had made money off of cocoa processing tools which were illegally sold to the Columbian government. And I don't need to bring up Nicaragua...

Who do you think is making the money in Afghanistan?

You do know that last year record sales of opium were recorded in Afghanistan at around 2.2 billion.

Who do you think is making that money? Most certainly not the common Afghani. What could be done with that money? Think for a second.

As far as Bush/Cheney...I don't care...if it were Gore or Kerry it'd be the same thing, I'm speaking out against half-assed foreign policy.

Date: 2005-01-16 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-pen-theory.livejournal.com
NO WAR FOR OPIUM

Date: 2005-01-16 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somefantastic10.livejournal.com
the difference is that Afghanistan was harboring Osama bin Laden, and Iraq had posed no threat.

Date: 2005-01-16 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-pen-theory.livejournal.com
yes that that has to do with oil in what way

Date: 2005-01-16 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmilligan.livejournal.com
Iraq is still strategically very important, because if you're going to reduce terrorism in the middle east you have to start modernizing Arab society. Where else would you suggest starting this? Or is it not a project worth trying?

I see Afghanistan as addressing terrorism in the short term. Iraq is the beginning of addressing it over the long term.

Date: 2005-01-16 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-pen-theory.livejournal.com
excuse me sir but iraq posed no threat to middle east stability. hussien had a proven track record of nonagression toward his neighboring states. am i right or am i right? Image

Date: 2005-01-16 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkblood777.livejournal.com
The middle east was already on it's way to modernization without the invasion. Have you seen the technological advances of the United Arab Emirates?

And you cannot reduce war by having an "us versus them" mentality.

Date: 2005-01-16 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmilligan.livejournal.com
Or the stunning modernity of Kuwait, who are still controlled by an autocratic monarchy? Wealth != dignity.

The problem in the middle east is not a lack of wealth. Oil provides a tremendous amount of wealth for the region. The deficit is in the amount of self-determination, dignity and hope. This collection of dictatorships, monarchies, and theocracies aren't going to help change this situation as long as they know they can hold on to power by blaming the Arab world's deficiencies on Israel and the west.

This isn't an "us vs. them" situation, this is a situation of allowing arabs, more specifically Iraqis, get a chance to choose their own future.

Date: 2005-01-17 12:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arland2012.livejournal.com
Haiti has lots pf oil and the U.S. didn't liberate them.

Date: 2005-01-17 01:55 am (UTC)

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