Date: 2009-11-01 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
You think Israel would not be able to do that without the aid?

Date: 2009-11-01 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
well surely this epidemic of horrible rocket attacks would have prevented them from having infrastructure...

Date: 2009-11-01 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
I think you are mixing up the people. Palestinians are the ones who converted infrastructure into less than effective rockets.

Date: 2009-11-01 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
they dismantled their own infrastructure to make shitty rockets?

Date: 2009-11-01 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
Look it up.

Generic Quasam rocket is built by using metal water supply or sewage pipes (generally delivered as aid) for the casing and body and explosive/propellant made out of fertilizer (delivered as aid as well, btw, often containing high amounts of phosphorous).

Date: 2009-11-01 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
and none of this could be junk from the wreckage of neighborhoods that were already destroyed.

you are literally claiming that they started taking apart their own homes so they could shoot rockets at israeli orange trees.

Date: 2009-11-01 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
Not that much wreckage in Gaza a year ago, and they did not dismantle anything. They just did not install the irrigation and sewage systems that they asked for, resources were diverted before benefiting the residents of Gaza.

As for orange trees, not many of them left in Israel nowadays, they are not economically viable due to high water consumption, but children did get killed.

Read into the rules of engagement for IDF. There is only retaliation for actual damage allowed. So if a rocket crashed in a field, there will be no firing back. If a structure got damaged, IDF may choose to attack an empty militant stronghold or a part of militant infrastructure. If people were killed then there maybe an attack on an occupied structure. Known terrorists are hunted down regardless.

Date: 2009-11-01 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
yet when anyone claims that israel is not following the rules of engagement, the entire world is anti-semitic.

sounds like the perfect insular worldview.

Date: 2009-11-01 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
Whose rules of engagement?

Date: 2009-11-01 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
You are the one whining.

Date: 2009-11-01 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
you're making claims about rules of engagement as though they mean a damn thing when it comes to bombing arabs

Date: 2009-11-01 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
They mean a great deal to me, you are the one who does not care for them.

Date: 2009-11-01 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
you care a great deal about whatever confirmation bias you can conjure to reinforce yourself

Date: 2009-11-01 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
Wrong. I believe what I see, and I believe in people who have the will to fight to defend their family and their state.

Date: 2009-11-01 04:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
i agree, which is why i'd like to see a strong push back from the natives of occupied palestine

Date: 2009-11-01 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
Which natives?

There has been constant Jewish presence in Israel much longer than there has been first Palestinian person on this planet.

Date: 2009-11-01 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
except i'm not talking about jews, i'm talking about an invading army

Date: 2009-11-01 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
poland had white people therefore germany didn't invade it

Date: 2009-11-01 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
So you are racist now. Grrrreeeat.

Next thing we know, you are one of those crazy dark-age preachers who killed off their own flesh in order to suffer like Jesus (JC, not your Puerto Rican gardener) and have revelations that the Jew next door was to blame for the infection (because the guy could read and speak in tongues, and this is definitely work of the Devil!!!)

Date: 2009-11-01 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
i'm illustrating the absurdity of your claim

jews living in palestine prior to israel's official founding doesn't mean it wasn't invaded and occupied by a hostile force

Date: 2009-11-01 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
Yes, it was invaded and occupied by the Assyrians (Iran), Babylonians (Iraq), Egyptians (the oldest country on the planet btw), Macedonians (not the Yugoslav ones, but the Helenistic ones, aka Greek), Romans (you shall never look at pizza the same), Arabs, Turks, Brits, Turks, Brits, French, Brits, the freaken knights Templar, Arabs, Turks, and the Great Brits... only to hand it over to the Jews who were there through all those invasions and occupations to be invaded few times more by the Arabs

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Date: 2009-11-01 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] new-wave-witch.livejournal.com
So you are racist now. Grrrreeeat. ... Jesus (JC, not your Puerto Rican gardener)

OH THE IRONY

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LOOK IT OVER (http://www.wowwiki.com/Kralnor)

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