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[merig00.livejournal.com]

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[i.livejournal.com]

of course not. the people in the warsaw ghetto had white skin, much smaller noses and shaved regularly.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

ah... you've never seen an israeli

[this-red-crow.livejournal.com]

Nah, many Israelis have dark skin and hair and quite large noses. The white-washing their state is trying to do must be working, though, I guess.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

it's not white-washing but just i's ignorance

[this-red-crow.livejournal.com]

The state is def. trying to whitewash. They're also trying to portray themselves as this European-esque bastion of democracy and liberal rights, which is an interesting misrepresentation of what is actually going on. It's also obvious that this is a calculated effort since there is talk of very corporate-esque "rebranding."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1026633.html

So sure, i has a misunderstanding of the appearance of Israelis, but it is hardly an accident.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

I think all countries do that. And as for Israel being an technologically advanced country - that's a fact.

[this-red-crow.livejournal.com]

I didn't mention technology. I was talking about democracy and liberal rights.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

I'm afraid that for example israeli gay community will not agree with you. Since Israel recognizes same sex marriages and we are still having a debate on it here.

[this-red-crow.livejournal.com]

That's a simplification. Check this:

"Israel has long struggled with the demands of modern society and the increasingly strident calls from the ultra-Orthodox to bring public life more in line with rigid Jewish teachings. There is no separation of church and state in Israel, where religious facilities — including those for the Muslim and Christian communities — are funded by the government but controlled by the religious establishment. There is a wary standoff between the state judicial system and the religious courts, leading to increasingly frequent showdowns over cases involving divorce and religious conversion."

From here:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1914391,00.html

[merig00.livejournal.com]

religious facilities — including those for the Muslim and Christian communities — are funded by the government but controlled by the religious establishment.

Jews have their court, Muslim have their court and Christians have their court. And all of them coincide relatively peacefully. It's not a theocracy. It's a religious democracy.

[this-red-crow.livejournal.com]

My point is that there is definite tension, and not in a minority. Sure, the GLBT community does well and good for them, in a lot of areas. They should have equal rights and rock out with their lives. But it's a simplification to say Israel is all sweetness and light about it.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

i didn't say it's all sweetness. :)

we have separation between state and church and still get tensions.