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[merig00.livejournal.com]

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[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

When civilians die because of Palestinian actions, it is evil and terrorism. But when civilians die because of Israeli actions, it's just, ya know, oopsie-daisy!

DUH!!!

(Plus, omg, the UN is like helping terrorists, lolz)

[merig00.livejournal.com]

Terrorists using UN ambulances as a cover and to transport weapons



Terrorists using ambulance to transport suicide belts through the checkpoints with the patients



Launching mortar shells from the UN schools:





Terrorist shoots a rocket from the rooftop of a building and then calls in women and children inside until it's safe for him to leave



And boobitrapped school and zoo in Gaza

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

You keep missing the point.

No one is defending the things you are linking to.

But you seem so willing, to a fault, to defend every action that the Israelis take (in defense, or offense) that also ends up with innocent people dead or displaced. The issue here ISN'T your anger at terrorists and murderers and cowards... it's at the one-sided hypocrisy of said anger.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

Ducky, you know how difficult it is to have something balanced on internet. Plus it's not fun. Yes, I'm a bit angry and biased. But that's mostly due to my friends and family living constantly under attack. My niece in Sderot is only 5 but she knows never to go too far from the buildings because she has only 15 seconds to hide when alarm sounds.

On the other hand palestinans do everything possible to de-humanize themselves in the eyes of israelis...

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

Merig, my roommate is Israeli (from Ashdot), so don't think I don't sympathize. And again, no one is defending terror groups who murder civilians and use violence to achieve their goals.

All that people are trying to say is that a) there are two sides to the Israeli-Palestinian debate, and it accomplishes nothing to dismiss the larger debate because of the specific actions of Hamas/Hezbollah (they are part of the conflict, but not the solution), and b) you cannot absolve Israel when they kill civilians in their attacks, whether defensive or offensive. If killing civilians is wrong, then it's wrong. Period.

That's all people are trying to say here.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

Killing civilians is wrong but you can try as hard as you can not to kill civilians when the other side actually puts them in front of your bullets and hides behind civilians - there will be civilian casualties.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

slightly different but on topic. i thought you might neutrally like this http://community.livejournal.com/politicartoons/1654952.html?thread=35775400#t35775400

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

Those are cute. Took me a second to get it.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

P.S. while I was typing it - just got a news that several katusha rockets were launched from southern lebanon... go UN peacekeaping forces!

[xforge.livejournal.com]

Miggy, they're terrorists.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

but just several threads ago they were freedom fighters fighting evil ruthless occupants??? What happened xforge?

[xforge.livejournal.com]

You'll never hear me call them that. You may assume from what I say about organizations who claim to support such activities that I am okay with that behavior, but I assure you that I am a quintessential tree-hugging peacenik liberal - NO ONE dies needlessly for ANY "cause." You may represent your cause in any way you see fit, but when you cross the line and invade, declare war or just start randomly blowing people up, you've lost me.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

ok

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

actually they're terrorist freedom fighters fighting terrorist ruthless occupants.

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

That's nice, dear, but the problem isn't that anyone is denying it happens, but we're interested in why that means Israeli forces are permitted to attack civilians.

What makes it excusable to bomb a school with children in it? Regardless of what else is inside, it is still a school with children in it. Israeli forces won't be considered heroes because of what they do, which is essentially kill hostages in order to attack the enemy.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

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[red-pill.livejournal.com]

no one here is contending that palastian terrorists have done shit. but so have the israils. and there efforts in the west bank and the gaza strip will creat more terrorists, not less. and the terroists in the west bank and the gaza strip will creat a more hawkish israil, willing to blow up shit at random and use children as human shields (and thay have, and do).

there is no right side at this point. its a cluster fuck. accsept that, and look for a soulstion, rather then a side to blame. becous there both to blame, amoung others. but dont asume israil is wereing halos.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

I just posted those videos to clear up claims on UN involvement.

[this-red-crow.livejournal.com]

Well, what do you have to say about the reports written by IDF soldiers as part of Breaking the Silence?

[this-red-crow.livejournal.com]

Sorry, elaboration: there are reports written by IDF soldiers that they would bomb Gaza without any resistance and often would not even see anyone on the ground. There was just rubble. And what about barricading civilians so they can't escape the use of white phosphorous? It burns til there is no oxygen, leading to organ failure since the burns continue, even after attempted treatment.

According to reports, there was one instance of a Hamas fighter attempting to hijack an ambulance, but then the ambulance driver threw him out. It's just an excuse to try to justify the fact that Israel blocked medical aid.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

I know what Breaking the Silence is. There were even IDF investigations on several of their claims.

For Breaking the Silence I agree that most of those things probably happen on separate individual level. However if you read the reports most of them are hearsay "friend of a friend who was in that unit..."

White Phosphorous was used for illumination not to kill people. Those were unfortunate accidents of war. Just like when a building with civilians inside was bombed due to miscommunication between units or the family of a prominent Gaza doctor died from a tank shell right before he had an interview with Israeli TV. Unfortunate and awful accidents.

As for ambulances - you saw two of many incidents when terrorist use UN/Red Cross vehicles to smuggle weapons.

You can continue the list... one of the reasons Israel stopped allowing metal plumbing pipes and fertilizers into Gaza because they were making rockets out of them instead of fixing their infrastructure or growing food.

[mcpreacher.livejournal.com]

White Phosphorous was used for illumination not to kill people.

lolllllll yeah i can understand needing extra illumination the middle east in broad daylight

[merig00.livejournal.com]

broad daylight? yeah...

[this-red-crow.livejournal.com]

Sorry for my comments being so divided up, but here is a good link:

http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/217.shtml

Check out the section called "The Media's Double Standard." Any knowledge of the sheer numbers will show that Israel's violence toward Palestinians is far, far greater in force and impact than any retaliation. It drives me how people exaggerate Palestinian violence and downplay the systematic killing by Israel.

Their saying is "A land without a people for a people without a land," but the Palestinians were already there.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

Reason why there are so many casualties among civilians: