And now, on the topic of healthcare reform...

[dwer.livejournal.com]

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[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I wonder how these conservatives feel about their insurance premium $$$$ going to lobby Congress against reform.

Very good, since the end result, if successful, is better care than the alternative option.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

they're for single payer? Go Tories!

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

No, I said better results.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

Right. That's single payer.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

No, no, I said better. If I wanted worse, I would have agreed with blue duck and you.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

No, no, I said better.

Right. Single Payer.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Well, you can lead a horse to water...

[red-pill.livejournal.com]

i find this tit for tat beatful and all, but...

the fact of the matter is that the current system is broken, and i dont think its becous of regultion. the people in charge make obsean profits whilst people die. not only people without covrage, but people with covrage. bonuses have been awarded for denying coverage and people polcys are only checked when thay get ill (and are then denyed for achne). the systems broken, and i dont think helth care componeys have your best intrestes in mind.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

It is broken - single payer doesn't fix it.

[xforge.livejournal.com]

'Cuz it works so massively suckily for all the other countries that have single-payer, that they all voted it out and are now all paying ultrarich megacorporations for their healthcare instead, and getting denied care and coverage for ridiculous pre-existing conditions that aren't conditions at all.

Oh wait, no they're not, because they're not morons.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Oh wait, no they're not, because they're not morons.

Are we really sure about that?

[xforge.livejournal.com]

Hmm, let me think. The unwashed masses of the United States, heavily brainwashed by our capitalist-marketing-driven media, vs. all the people of all the other industrialized nations on Earth. Let me think:

Wal-Mart
McDonald's
Subway sandwiches actually being thought of as "food"
American beer
American pop "music"
The state of the print media
The state of televised media
The comments sections on YouTube

Yeah, um, yes. I'm sure they're not all morons compared to us.

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

So you're glad that health insurance $$ goes to propaganda campaigns rather than to, say, this (http://cbs2.com/local/nataline.sarkisyan.CIGNA.2.615167.html)?

That says a lot about you.

But then, we already knew that you value corporations over people.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

There's propaganda on both sides. Both are guilty, but one result is much better for the bulk of us.

As for your last comment, that's a pretty vile lie.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

one result is much better for the bulk of us.

Yes. Single payer.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Speaking of propaganda/vile lies...

[dwer.livejournal.com]

we know what you say. It doesn't matter. Single payer is the way to go.

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

As for your last comment, that's a pretty vile lie.

Prove me wrong one of these days.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Prove yourself right first.

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

Hmmm, well here's a test.

Let's say I'm the President. You're the Senate Majority Leader. I am asking for a bill on my desk ASAP that will require all the banks, financial firms, etc to pay back all TARP and bailout money by the end of the year or be forced out of business.

Do you give me the bill?

[mikepictor.livejournal.com]

badlydrawnjeff may be hard against many liberal policies, but he's one of the better spoken and rational people on that side. I've never seen him flame, troll, insult, why would you be so quick to do so to him.

I think it's pretty low to say that he personally puts corps above people without something significant to back it up.

[mikepictor.livejournal.com]

Considering the number of single payer systems that are providing higher quality health care than the US, it must be possible to make it work.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

The problem is that I'm not at all convinced they're providing noticeably higher quality care, if the care is higher quality at all.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

why should things like facts sway you?