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[tori-dobbs.livejournal.com]

in b4:
"How dare they use my favorite book blah blah...."

[udoswald.livejournal.com]

Actually, Obama's poll numbers have been up lately.

As for the other two, those are Bush's fault (Bush card or no Bush card, that's just the facts).

[tori-dobbs.livejournal.com]

But Obama was going to get us out of the war.

[udoswald.livejournal.com]

Many Presidents make promises in the campaign that they later find out are harder to keep than first imagined (Read my lips for instance). It's hard to know just how dire a situation is when you don't know all the classified facts on the ground. Even if he were running at full speed to get us out, there would still be costs. You can't just withdraw an Army at the drop of a hat.

[tori-dobbs.livejournal.com]

polls


MOOD OF AMERICA

* Just 31% Believe U.S. Heading in Right Direction
* Generic Ballot: Republicans 43%, Democrats 39%
* 43% Say U.S. And Allies Winning War on Terror
* Partisan Trends: Democrats Recover from July Low
* Government Ethics Edges Out Economy As Top Issue Among Voters
* Only 16% Like The Job Congress Is Doing

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

[udoswald.livejournal.com]

Rasmussen is a Republican polling operation, their numbers always favor Republicans far more than the average. I can't imagine you didn't know that before you cherry picked this poll.

[tori-dobbs.livejournal.com]

Like I'm going to get a poll from moveon.org?

[tori-dobbs.livejournal.com]

I know Rasmussen isn't a fine organization like Moveon.org, but come on.

Ok here's a poll.
Notice the over all trend.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

[udoswald.livejournal.com]

I wasn't even talking about MoveOn so bringing them up is a bit bizarre. To the best of my knowledge, MoveOn always contracts with reputable polling organizations to run its polls much like Kos does. Rasmussen is the polling company itself and any bias will filter into its results. Rasmussen's founder worked for Dubya in his 2004 campaign.

That Gallup poll is going from a high of 70+% approval, nobody expected that to last forever. Bush would have killed for numbers like this during his second term.

[tori-dobbs.livejournal.com]

I didn't even notice Bush in this cartoon. You must have a much better computer monitor then I do. I'm going to get a magnifying glass to try and spot this Bush guy.

Give me a hit where he is. Is he in that squiggle mare in to top right corner?

[udoswald.livejournal.com]

He's standing behind the two on the left patting himself on the back and saying "heckuva job Bushy".

Look, like I said, I doubt it's a coincidence you posted this cartoon or responded with that Rasmussen poll without knowing the biases of those sources. As I said, Bush would have killed for those kind of approval ratings in his last term or indeed at any point in his first term before 9/11. Obama's high approval ratings during the first couple months were because some of the McCain voters were at least willing to humor the idea that Obama wasn't a bad guy but everyone knew that eventually they'd fall into their old partisan ways and change their minds, most likely regardless of what Obama did.

If you look at the numbers, they hew very closely to the election results. The same people registering disapproval now are by and large the people who wish McCain was President right now. They've also been listening non-stop to the Fox News talking heads who have been telling them all kinds of scary lies about Obama. It's no wonder they don't approve since they have no idea what Obama's actually done or plans to do.

The only reason Bush's approval ratings were as high as they were at this point in his first term was because he had screwed up 9/11 and somehow got a bump off of that. Dems, who are willing to abandon partisanship for the good of the nation, were willing to give him a shot. If Al Gore had been President, even if he did everything exactly in the same way Bush did, would not have had nearly as high an approval rating after 9/11 because Republicans are ruled by partisanship. The media would have spent the ensuing months hammering Gore on his constant vacations during the run up to 9/11. There would have likely been impeachment hearings over the ignoring of the PDB report "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in America".

These approval/disapproval numbers say more about the attitude of Republicans in this country then they do about Obama. And when you're looking at the Congressional numbers, don't forget that there are plenty of Republicans in Congress (and their Blue Lapdogs) and those numbers reflect them too.

[tori-dobbs.livejournal.com]

I'm not supporting bush, but you can't stop talking about him.

You must feel like Rush Limbaugh when Clinton left office. Looking back at the bad old days trying to figure out a way to make them applicable to whats current.

Bush, buShsbush, bush didybush bush BUSH!
Dubaya, Dubaya Bush. WMD! Bush bush bush.

[udoswald.livejournal.com]

It's not a bad thing when you actually can legitimately trace many of the problems we're facing today right to the doorstep of the previous occupant of the White House. Are we supposed to completely ignore the lasting damage done by Bush and his Administration just because he's finally out of office. Your buddies in the Republican Party/conservative media are STILL blaming things on Clinton and bringing up the suicide of Vince Foster and Whitewater, etc...

Forget old fatass Limbaugh when Clinton left office, let's talk about Rush "Oxy makes me feel all tingly" Limbaugh now. He still tries to claim that Clinton had Vince Foster killed. Fox News still has toe sucker Dick Morris on to talk about the Clintons (And never forget that his sole claim to fame is being bitter over getting fired by Clinton for being caught sucking some hooker's toes).

[tori-dobbs.livejournal.com]

Well who's problems are that now? It's not Bush's.
Obama get to do the dance in his monster PJs.

[udoswald.livejournal.com]

They're Obama's problems because he took over from the irresponsible Bush Administration, that doesn't mean that Bush is absolved of all blame.

[tori-dobbs.livejournal.com]

Well the cartoon is talking about Obama's problems, not how they were created.

[tori-dobbs.livejournal.com]

You listen to Rush?

I guess you just like being offended.
I don't even bother listening to that guy.

[udoswald.livejournal.com]

No I don't, there are plenty of people on the left who are kind enough to do that for me and report it online.

You can't criticize Dems for their very real concerns over the actions of the Bush Administration without also pointing out the completely insane "concerns" expressed by right-wing media to this very day regarding Clinton.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Noticed how Obama's worst poll numbers are at least 25 points above George Bush when HE left ofice, but ya know Obama is such a failure!

[xforge.livejournal.com]

But Bush was going to bring dignity and respectability to the White House.

grin

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

Twice:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/bush_2004_campaign_pledges_to

[soliloquy76.livejournal.com]

The Iraq war, sure. He always said we were going to focus on Afghanistan (and hinted at Pakistan).

[dwer.livejournal.com]

no. Obama is going to get us out of Iraq. He always said Afghanistan should be the primary theatre, and he wanted to consider bombing Pakistan.

Obama is not a pacifist.

The cartoon is (finally) not terrible. These are big issues, and Obama has looked pretty small.

But let's remember -- in the book, the lead character ends up finding what he needs.

[unnamed525.livejournal.com]

Ultimately, the question isn't one of pacifism, but of pragmatism.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

that's fine, but clearly, Obama wasn't going to get out of Afghanistan just because.

[unnamed525.livejournal.com]

Obama should get the US out of Afghanistan because if he doesn't, Afghanistan will break the US, just like it broke the USSR.

prognosis = -

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, We are still treating the Afghani conflict as a military operation, and it is very much about culture and family values. Moreso than in Iraq, think "Red Dawn".

[capthek.livejournal.com]

You either know this is a lie or you know nothing about what he ran on. He always talked about focusing on Afghanistan. So either you are a complete liar or completely uninformed, neither really makes you much of a representative of your political affiliation does it?

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

So either you are a complete liar or completely uninformed...

Why choose?

[telemann.livejournal.com]

I just rather leave it at Torri is a douchebag.

[mcpreacher.livejournal.com]

i'm fairly certain at this point that political cartoons were never good

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

The latest poll (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091006/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_ap_poll) has Obama moving up.

As for Afghanistan and war costs... as has been said, Bush created these problems (is that in dispute). Yes, they are absolutely Obama's job to clean up. That is also not in dispute. Of course, in order to do that, he needs to end the war in Afghanistan ASAP. But is that really what Republicans are advocating? Nope. They're telling Obama to escalate the war (which would also escalate the costs). Polls show, again, that the public disagrees with the GOP on that. I hope Obama listens to the polls.

[xxrancid-punkxx.livejournal.com]

Conservatives must be even more anti-reading than I thought. How many times will Where The Wild Things Are be raped to get bullshit "points" across?

[unnamed525.livejournal.com]

God wants you to be happy. Here, have a pamphlet.