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WAAAAAAAY over the top!



Date: 2009-10-05 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xladymissiex.livejournal.com
Wow... that second one is a bit harsh. I know Republicans are assholes but they're not nazis. o_o

First one is good though.

Date: 2009-10-05 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
What? Work makes freedom, right?

Date: 2009-10-06 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
Indeed. Anyone can play.

Date: 2009-10-06 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
I didn't even know my computer had that character set.

Date: 2009-10-05 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spencer-mato.livejournal.com
No, you're both wrong "Arbeit Macht Frei" Literally translates as "work makes free". There is no "dir" there, but I think it's assumed that it's a you statement. "Work brings freedom" would be "Arbeit bringt Freiheit", same with the other guy, freedom is "Freiheit" not just "Frei". There is also a whole slew of uses of the word "frei" because that is the way German behaves, because it is a nasty, evil little language, but I'm assuming it's meant simply as free.

Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a person who didn't speak German just using google translate for the sake of depicting Republicans as Nazis.

Date: 2009-10-05 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com

मेरा जर्मन भाषा कौशल का सबसे अच्छा नहीं हैं. हिन्दी या चेक में बेहतर है. बेशक, वहाँ वेब पर अनुवादक हैं.

http://translate.google.com is your one stop shop for these things. What does Latvian even sound like?

Date: 2009-10-06 02:49 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-10-06 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Kinda like Lithuanian.

Date: 2009-10-06 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
Or Estonian, I'd bet.

Date: 2009-10-05 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com
You are right on the literally translation.

The slogan has a history of its own. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei

Date: 2009-10-06 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spencer-mato.livejournal.com
I realized that after I looked it up. My specialty is American History, I haven't done a lot about German history yet.

HURR DURR DERP DERP!

Date: 2009-10-08 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roseofjuly.livejournal.com
Work makes free. Or a better English translation, "work makes you free."
Edited Date: 2009-10-08 04:16 am (UTC)
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Date: 2009-10-05 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
I don't like the Nazi analogy BUT I do not for a second doubt that a significant number of Conservatives would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see debtors' prisons brought back and anyone whose family isn't moneyed thrown in and made to work for free indefinitely.

Date: 2009-10-05 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com
It's not only over the top but also incorrect. Auschwitz II - Birkenau gate does not have that slogan above it's gates. Auschwitz I does.

Date: 2009-10-05 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com
wanna cookie?

Date: 2009-10-05 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
Really not the point very much. But thanks for pointing it out.

Date: 2009-10-05 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
Where does it say which concentration camp it is? Or are you critiquing the placement of the chimneys?

Date: 2009-10-05 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
Because Auschwitz I doesn't have brick facing, and Auschwitz II: Electric Boogaloo doesn't say Arbeit Macht Frei.

http://images.google.com/images?q=auschwitz+i

http://images.google.com/images?q=auschwitz+ii

Date: 2009-10-06 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edgar-suit.livejournal.com
mmkay, I LOLd at the "Electric Boogaloo" part. See you in Hell, I guess. =\

Date: 2009-10-05 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com
It's a cliche picture of the train entrance into the Auschwitz II - Birkenau extermination camp.

Image

I've walked on that railorad

Date: 2009-10-06 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
Ah. Now that you mention it I see you're architecturally right. The setting of "Arbeit Macht Frei" is a lopsided gate to a miserable place, but without a singular building.

Isn't this a cheaper shot than "This looks shopped"?

Date: 2009-10-08 04:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roseofjuly.livejournal.com
I think they put the iconic phrase there not because it's historically correct, but because it's 1) iconic - everyone knows what that means even if they don't know what Auschwitz II looks like 2) encapsulates what the cartoonist thinks Republicans believe about healthcare and work. Honestly, it's for artistic and ideological purposes.

Date: 2009-10-05 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
auschwitz i is the dems healthcare plan.

Date: 2009-10-05 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pepper-spray.livejournal.com
*hee-haw banjo*

Date: 2009-10-07 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
you're right. it needs more hitler.
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Date: 2009-10-07 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
what's your plan? unoriginality?

Date: 2009-10-05 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
Meh on the first one as people who published it don't really understand what united church and state really is.

Second one is not harsh, its simply moronic.

Date: 2009-10-05 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pepper-spray.livejournal.com
Whats to know? It's just a bad idea.

Date: 2009-10-05 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theomni.livejournal.com
In that case, I also don't understand what a united church and state really is. Is there anything you could tell me about it?

Date: 2009-10-06 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i.livejournal.com
third one to ask. crickets still chirping.

church & hate

Date: 2009-10-05 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schnoozles.livejournal.com
1st one: right on the nose. love it.

Date: 2009-10-06 12:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mikepictor.livejournal.com
Love the first one.

Second one, Godwin says you lose. Actually, you admitted it was over the top, so I am guessing you don't stand by it, but yeah, repubs aren't that bad, just like Obama isn't that bad (how about that, apparently both sides are just like the nazis *eyeroll*)

Date: 2009-10-06 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
The Nazi talk will always be "over the line"

...unless of course, one side or the other manages land the Olympics despite oppressing(and later eterminating) several million of thier own people.

Date: 2009-10-06 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
In the last two centuries the Americans, Chinese, and the Russians did that, easy. If you count Colonies then the British and the French were respnsible too. Usually through famine, but that's a pretty bad way to go, especially for millions.

Date: 2009-10-07 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
One could argue over wether the Plains Nations constituted "Our own people" but I'll concede you your point over the Chinese.

Even so, the modern American political parties have showed themselves to be rather inept when it comes to genocide(or international politics for that matter) so the Nazi talk is still over the line.

The more words like "Nazism", "Communism", or "Racism" are invoked in political debates the more diluted they become.

Date: 2009-10-07 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
Maybe not a million, but the Trail of Tears was certainly an east coast tribe. I'm sure the Germans did not consider the jewry "their own people" either. Even the Chinese and Russian famines were a split between central bureaucratic inflexibility and the farmers who actually grew the food. Stalin killed maybe a few hundred thousand by direct political purges. The other tens of millions was all agricultural incompetence.

Rwanda, Cambodia and Turkey while we're at it, though they're in no danger of hosting an Olympics soon.

And yes, the arms race of rhetoric has thoroughly polluted the sting of many words.

Date: 2009-10-08 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roseofjuly.livejournal.com
Godwin wouldn't say he lost. Godwin just said that as a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.

The rest of the Internet would, though.

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