No, you're both wrong "Arbeit Macht Frei" Literally translates as "work makes free". There is no "dir" there, but I think it's assumed that it's a you statement. "Work brings freedom" would be "Arbeit bringt Freiheit", same with the other guy, freedom is "Freiheit" not just "Frei". There is also a whole slew of uses of the word "frei" because that is the way German behaves, because it is a nasty, evil little language, but I'm assuming it's meant simply as free.
Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a person who didn't speak German just using google translate for the sake of depicting Republicans as Nazis.
I don't like the Nazi analogy BUT I do not for a second doubt that a significant number of Conservatives would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see debtors' prisons brought back and anyone whose family isn't moneyed thrown in and made to work for free indefinitely.
Ah. Now that you mention it I see you're architecturally right. The setting of "Arbeit Macht Frei" is a lopsided gate to a miserable place, but without a singular building.
Isn't this a cheaper shot than "This looks shopped"?
I think they put the iconic phrase there not because it's historically correct, but because it's 1) iconic - everyone knows what that means even if they don't know what Auschwitz II looks like 2) encapsulates what the cartoonist thinks Republicans believe about healthcare and work. Honestly, it's for artistic and ideological purposes.
Second one, Godwin says you lose. Actually, you admitted it was over the top, so I am guessing you don't stand by it, but yeah, repubs aren't that bad, just like Obama isn't that bad (how about that, apparently both sides are just like the nazis *eyeroll*)
In the last two centuries the Americans, Chinese, and the Russians did that, easy. If you count Colonies then the British and the French were respnsible too. Usually through famine, but that's a pretty bad way to go, especially for millions.
One could argue over wether the Plains Nations constituted "Our own people" but I'll concede you your point over the Chinese.
Even so, the modern American political parties have showed themselves to be rather inept when it comes to genocide(or international politics for that matter) so the Nazi talk is still over the line.
The more words like "Nazism", "Communism", or "Racism" are invoked in political debates the more diluted they become.
Maybe not a million, but the Trail of Tears was certainly an east coast tribe. I'm sure the Germans did not consider the jewry "their own people" either. Even the Chinese and Russian famines were a split between central bureaucratic inflexibility and the farmers who actually grew the food. Stalin killed maybe a few hundred thousand by direct political purges. The other tens of millions was all agricultural incompetence.
Rwanda, Cambodia and Turkey while we're at it, though they're in no danger of hosting an Olympics soon.
And yes, the arms race of rhetoric has thoroughly polluted the sting of many words.
Godwin wouldn't say he lost. Godwin just said that as a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.
no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 09:25 pm (UTC)First one is good though.
no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 09:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 09:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 09:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 11:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 01:19 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 08:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 10:07 pm (UTC)Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a person who didn't speak German just using google translate for the sake of depicting Republicans as Nazis.
no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 10:34 pm (UTC)मेरा जर्मन भाषा कौशल का सबसे अच्छा नहीं हैं. हिन्दी या चेक में बेहतर है. बेशक, वहाँ वेब पर अनुवादक हैं.
http://translate.google.com is your one stop shop for these things. What does Latvian even sound like?
no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 02:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 10:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 05:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 11:27 pm (UTC)The slogan has a history of its own. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei
no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 02:49 am (UTC)HURR DURR DERP DERP!
no subject
Date: 2009-10-08 04:16 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 09:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 09:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 09:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 09:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 09:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 09:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 09:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 11:01 pm (UTC)http://images.google.com/images?q=auschwitz+i
http://images.google.com/images?q=auschwitz+ii
no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 05:08 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 11:31 pm (UTC)I've walked on that railorad
no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 01:22 am (UTC)Isn't this a cheaper shot than "This looks shopped"?
no subject
Date: 2009-10-08 04:20 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 09:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 10:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 11:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-07 01:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-07 01:45 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 10:09 pm (UTC)Second one is not harsh, its simply moronic.
no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 10:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 10:35 pm (UTC)Really, now. Perhaps you can explain it then?
no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 11:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-05 11:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 12:16 am (UTC)church & hate
Date: 2009-10-05 11:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 12:18 pm (UTC)Second one, Godwin says you lose. Actually, you admitted it was over the top, so I am guessing you don't stand by it, but yeah, repubs aren't that bad, just like Obama isn't that bad (how about that, apparently both sides are just like the nazis *eyeroll*)
no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 02:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 05:31 pm (UTC)...unless of course, one side or the other manages land the Olympics despite oppressing(and later eterminating) several million of thier own people.
no subject
Date: 2009-10-06 08:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-07 12:30 am (UTC)Even so, the modern American political parties have showed themselves to be rather inept when it comes to genocide(or international politics for that matter) so the Nazi talk is still over the line.
The more words like "Nazism", "Communism", or "Racism" are invoked in political debates the more diluted they become.
no subject
Date: 2009-10-07 06:19 am (UTC)Rwanda, Cambodia and Turkey while we're at it, though they're in no danger of hosting an Olympics soon.
And yes, the arms race of rhetoric has thoroughly polluted the sting of many words.
no subject
Date: 2009-10-08 04:21 am (UTC)The rest of the Internet would, though.