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[xforge.livejournal.com]

1) Taxes to pay for things to help America, or borrowing to pay for things to kill people with? Money doesn't just fall from the sky and the previous president spent more money than the previous six presidents combined.

2) Not shown on chart: removal of the "insurance companies can fuck you in the ass and then brag about it to Wall Street" policy.

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

It's not so much that the other guy did it....it's more that the other guy did it and hardly any Republicans complained then, but the only thing that has changed now is....

A complaint about selectivity, rather than a false argument.

And of course some of us don't regard taxes, in and of themselves, as bad things. Most folk would be more selective with both the taxing and spending, but it is nevertheless true that society operates on its tax-income.

[i.livejournal.com]

if the Bush hadn't squandered Clinton's surpluses, we would have plenty of money to fix social security, medicare, and healthcare with a public option. instead he gave it away to the richest people in america who bought their 4th 5th and 6th homes with it, helping drive the housing bubble, and then he waged a debilitatingly expensive war on borrowed money to enrich his campaign contributors and his vice president.

[xforge.livejournal.com]

Wut he sed alzo

[debergerac.livejournal.com]

so how come we didn't have all that when clinton was pres?

[xforge.livejournal.com]

The point was, though, that if Bush's spending hadn't been so far off the hook, we wouldn't have to be paying it back now.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Taxes to pay for things to help America, or borrowing to pay for things to kill people with?

One is Constitutional, one is not.

oney doesn't just fall from the sky and the previous president spent more money than the previous six presidents combined.

And this President is projected to spend more than twice as much as his predecessor.

[xforge.livejournal.com]

1) Jeff, stick your constitutionality argument where the sun doesn't shine. The Founding Fathers would have been dumbstruck if they heard anyone using what they wrote to justify what we're doing with our military forces worldwide while simultaneously ignoring our own infrastructure and the wellbeing of the populace at large.

2) To fix what has been broken by his predecessors.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

1) baw?

2) He's not fixing anything, he's making it worse. Besides, you're saying the spending's no good when Bush does it, but it's somehow okay now? Riiiiight.

[drblasphlemy.livejournal.com]

Thank you for seeing into the minds of our founding fathers and speaking for them...though how about just letting their words speak for themselves?

[hikarugenji.livejournal.com]

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

Health care certainly sounds like "general Welfare" to me, and in any case, the 16th amendment allows the federal government to tax incomes without any qualification as to purpose.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

The general welfare clause is not a blank check, and refers to the enumerated powers listed within Article 1.

They can tax all they want, but the usage is supposed to be very limited.

[mikepictor.livejournal.com]

Let's see. You pay more tax, you pay less insurance premiums...

Yep, sounds accurate. Money has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere, is in part, taxes. It's just that not everyone thinks that's a bad thing.

[deadpansev.livejournal.com]

Obama pledged to not raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000 a year, but he lied. You can defend the reasons he is raising taxes all day it doesn't change the fact that he is a liar and is breaking another promise.

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

You're right. China's more than willing to front us the money like they did for the last decade.

[deadpansev.livejournal.com]

That's right, sell your kids into tax slavery so you can have free health insurance. You are so kind.

[mikepictor.livejournal.com]

ZOMG!

Why it almost sounds like he is a politician.

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

he's raised taxes?

[dr-pepper-spray.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry, but can you show me where he's raising taxes? Specifically?

[xforge.livejournal.com]

Aw, boo hoo. My household makes less than half that; so we'll pay a hundred bucks more this year and our unemployed daughter won't die of something preventable. Let me cry a bitter tear for having to pay the cost necessary to live in a modern republic.

2nd cartoon

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

Right (http://graphs.gapminder.org/world/#$majorMode=chart$is;shi=t;ly=2003;lb=f;il=t;fs=11;al=30;stl=t;st=t;nsl=t;se=t$wst;tts=C$ts;sp=6;ti=2006$zpv;v=0$inc_x;mmid=XCOORDS;iid=pyj6tScZqmEeL79qOoKtofQ;by=ind$inc_y;mmid=YCOORDS;iid=phAwcNAVuyj2tPLxKvvnNPA;by=ind$inc_s;uniValue=8.21;iid=phAwcNAVuyj0XOoBL_n5tAQ;by=ind$inc_c;uniValue=255;gid=CATID0;by=grp$map_x;scale=lin;dataMin=2;dataMax=6714$map_y;scale=lin;dataMin=23;dataMax=86$map_s;sma=49;smi=2.65$cd;bd=0$inds=) Here (http://bit.ly/Ixp8m).

See all those orange circles? mostly publically-funded medicine.

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

DERP OBAMINATION GUNNA TAX EWE