Racism has nothing to do with this.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

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[chasovschik.livejournal.com]

Decent people on the right do it all the time.

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

Which leads us to the unfortunate corollary that no-one who goes on these demonstrations with such folk in tow can actually be decent.

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

So...some percentage of these folk are deluded and mad, some are racists, and some are rational.

And Obama should listen to this coalition of these folk (only some of whom are rational) when he has a majority in both houses?

Gordon Bennett. I take Poor Mad Jeremy (a schizophrenic old school-chum) for lunch every Thursday: I wouldn't dream of letting his opinions influence my important decisions.

[chasovschik.livejournal.com]

He certainly can ignore these folk, at his own risk. So far ratings show that it's not quite wise. Latest Gallup looks very impressive.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Too bad folks in Gallop polls don't vote in Congress.

[chasovschik.livejournal.com]

It's OK. They vote for or against guys who want to stay in Congress, so those guys in Congress pay attention.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

The elections are over a year away. That's fine. Americans have short memories :-)

[chasovschik.livejournal.com]

Apparently not everybody in Congress counts on that.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Really, which ones specifically?

[chasovschik.livejournal.com]

Dude, that's trivial. Follow the process, and you'll have no need to ask such questions. There are a lot of them, starting with Baucus, who initially supported the public option. I especially liked the latest move of Senator Snow.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Ok, I'll take that as a no.

[chasovschik.livejournal.com]

That's up to you. I already know that you are totally not afraid of looking stupid.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Like I said, I'll take that as a no. :-)

[chasovschik.livejournal.com]

Dude, you're fearless. "Who for instance?" - "Baucus and Snow" - "I'll take that as a no". You made my day.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Handclap.

And neither one of them are up for election in 2010. Reread my comment about the election is more than a year away and the Gallop poll is pretty dynamic (when it was showing a lot of support for Obama's plan before the town hall meetings, I'm sure you were whistling a different tune).

[chasovschik.livejournal.com]

Well, when it was showing a lot of support for Obama's plan, somehow more Congress folks were willing to vote for that plan. Now there are not enough votes for anything but reconciliation, and Obama's last hope for "bipartisanship" died when Snowe turned away. Be my guest and demonstrate that these two phenomenons are not connected.

Unlike you, people in Congress know that such a vote can surface even in ten years and hurt a lot.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Ten years with the American voting public? Oh the LOLz! Really, can you cite a specific vote by any Congressional Senator that cost him an election over ten years later, or this another case of you talking out of your ass? President Obama could care less about elections ten years from now; he's worried about the 2010 elections and holding onto his majorities. The two Senators you specifically cited aren't up for re-election then.

The Senate bill was just released this week, the ammendment process will start next week, see just like the Gallop polls, the process is a dynamic one, it's changing. So if Snow has changed her mind before, what's to say a newer bill wouldn't be more appealing to her after the changes? Besides-- her vote only matters until Kennedy's replacement is named shortly. The Massachusett's state house is moving quickly on a bill allowing the governor to name someone much sooner than you'd like.

Next......

[chasovschik.livejournal.com]

I said "hurt a lot", not "cost him an election". Such examples we all know. There were votes for Iraq war (Hillary paid dearly for that six years after the vote), or for FISA support (was a substantial problem for Obama), that were surfacing again and again. McCain votes on immigration issue costed him a noticeable part of his base.

That's just most visible stuff.

Regarding all the rest - we'll see. Voter's mood is not the only factor the Congress folk take in consideration.

Anyhow, your attempt to claim a complete independence of Congress folks from their constituents amused me a lot. It's kind of typical for liberals.

[chasovschik.livejournal.com]

What do you suggest? Fight them there? I don't think it's doable. Liberals don't do that either: liberal rallies attracts their share of loonies as well, and conservative sources use it in a pretty much same way, showing crazy leftie signs and painting all liberals as crazies.

[i.livejournal.com]

there were a lot of people at the anti-war/nuclear/reagan/bush demonstrations over the years that i disagreed with and wished weren't there, but you can't exactly stop them from coming. i'm sure the klan felt the same way about the 150 decent republicans at the teabag rally.

[donolectic.livejournal.com]

i'm sure the klan felt the same way about the 150 decent republicans at the teabag rally.

HAH!

That was awesome.