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[patriotress.livejournal.com]

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[jessica-leah.livejournal.com]

This is a parody of right wing thinking, yes?

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

Your icon disagrees with your cartoon almost perfectly.

Which is it?

[tori-dobbs.livejournal.com]

How many US citizens are at Gitmo?

[jessica-leah.livejournal.com]

What color is a banana?


Sorry, thought this was irrelevant question time.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Hee!!!!!!!!!!

[tori-dobbs.livejournal.com]

Ah, the old "Chewbacca live in Indore" excuse.

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

"Indore"?

[atreides74.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sure he means Endor.

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

If habeus corpus is suspended, anyone can be labeled a terrorist based on hearsay, and all of our phone calls and emails are monitored for "terrorist" leanings, then it is ironic in the extreme that the OP puts up an icon with the libertarian sentiment of V.

A common misunderstanding of what a self-evident truth is, try again. I used to listen to Boortz daily, so I've heard this one before. We aren't doing ourselves any favors internationally by shooting for a moral stance similar to Syria in these matters.

[madscience.livejournal.com]

Six or seven, isn't it?

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but libertarians and /b/tards love the symbolism. It's just incredibly ironic paired with that comic. All the funneh I can see at this point is the pure negation of one by the other.

Great comic, though.

[jessica-leah.livejournal.com]

I am digging the mad scientist eyebrows.

[capthek.livejournal.com]

We are going to release the random people we grabbed and go after their torturers who have made us less safe.

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

I'm still waiting for an answer. Pro-GWOT libertarians, or movie adaptation comic book geeks, amuse me no end.

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

Still waiting! Defend your cartoon, oh poorly named one.

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

Two points: Not everyone we have detained and imprisoned is a terrorist. In fact, I'd argue a good half (or more?) actually weren't terrorists. Many were picked up by accident (mistaken identity, etc) or were sold to U.S. soldiers by sleazy Afghanis for the reward $$$. Even during the Bush administration, many detainees were fully released and sent home. Why? Cause we detained-- and tortured!!-- them for no reason, and we had no choice but to acknowledge and return them home.

The big folks, like KSM and a few others, should be put on trial and put in a U.S. military prison. As for the others... either we show the evidence that they were actually terrorists, and put them on a trial, or we should send them home.

2) There is no evidence that torture prevented a single terrorist attack.

Which doesn't even matter, because...

3) The 1984 UN Convention on Torture, which Ronald Reagan signed and championed, is very clear and its definition of what torture is obviously broad and inclusive. It says, in part-

Article 1.
1. For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.
2. This article is without prejudice to any international instrument or national legislation which does or may contain provisions of wider application.
Article 2.
1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.
2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.

Stupid Reagan. Stupid "laws".

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

I know you get all huffy when people attack your "icon", and display inconsistency. But I'm sorry to observe that your icon and your message are in direct conflict. Will you be changing your default icon in the near future, that we may discuss the demerits of your cartoon?

BTW, not all anti-health protestors are thugs. Those who did not vote for Obama are entitled to representative government, which they get through elections every two years, local elections at varying periods, and a president who magnanimously reached out to their representatives in January. It is unfortunate that he only hired a pitbull, and not a shrewd coalition builder, to craft agreements. Even thugs should have a voice, so long as they allow other voices to dissent against their dissent.

You really should re-read the Republic for crafting leading questions. You could have so much more bite, sister.

[xxrancid-punkxx.livejournal.com]

Oh jesus christ, give it a rest already. Those interrogators did nothing to keep us safe. You act as if TORTURING KSM about SIX times a day for ONE MONTH resulted in some earth moving evidence.

The world is upside down. The US is the terrorist torturer. What a shameful day when the AMERICANS are the ones threatening to rape mothers and murder families, the ones threatening prisoners with power drills, holding fake executions.

This is not a role model:

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

Re: This is not a role model:

[pragmatic-chimp.livejournal.com]

I fucking love that book.

Re: This is not a role model:

[caerfrli.livejournal.com]

As I recall, the actual ugly American was an ok guy.

Re: This is not a role model:

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

"According to Hoyle", the book was about foreign policy strong-arming, not torture, but the message that we don't do ourselves favors when we go against our principles stands.

[thies.livejournal.com]

former suspects who are released are not terrorists

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

I think she's going on the assumption that if they're in Gitmo, they MUST be terrorists. Even though there's no way to determine that, as many of the pieces of evidence against them were acquired under torture and are inadmissable in court.

And the snake chews on.

[thies.livejournal.com]

there is of course the other angle where some who have been released turned to terrorism once back home - if they were terrorists before or whether their incarceration radicalized them, who knows. But all that does is to further illustrate how "harsh interrogation" was not getting useful results if these individuals are one way or the other the results of them.

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

Ayup. We should do all we can, as fast as we can to distance ourselves from the people who endorsed these techniques.

One concern is that the CIA, so recently stung by this jerkaround, will not cooperate with the FBI in notifying us of real threats.

What is even worse (per David Brooks) is that the CIA may cease to care or actively campaign for the assassination of Obama. Not wanting to hurt the delicate feelings of the CIA is the reason the Obama administration has come out against Holder's investigation

Something the conservatives here fail to understand: Obama does not want this investigated. I'm sure they won't let this fact get in the way of their generalized hatred for the man and everything he stands for.

[madali.livejournal.com]

I think it is something like,

America does not torture innocents
America has tortured people
Therefore, all the people that are tortured are terrorists

[donolectic.livejournal.com]

This.

[pentha.livejournal.com]

But they're icky brown people and the guys who tortured them without any trial said they're terrorists! Who am I to doubt them?

[atreides74.livejournal.com]

Hmmmm..... except the terror suspects aren't being released, they're being relocated.
And I don't know about you, but I don't think torture keeps America safe. In fact, it's illegal. We executed Japanese soldiers during WWII for waterboarding Allied POWs. Either we were wrong then, or we were wrong now. Which is it?

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

OP is an imbecile, wrapped in an enigma, deep fried in Fox news.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

Dipped in poo.

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

Now why would I do a fool thing like click on that? Even though its not too far removed from everyday experience.

[donolectic.livejournal.com]

I shared this experience.

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

I'm waiting for the secure Americans to spool out of their holes to tell us how naive we are. Freedom, to them, is an outdated concept for the weak.

[bertro.livejournal.com]

The "torture kept us safe" [because there hasn't been a second 9-11] crowd are like Homer Simpson and his tiger repelling rock.

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

Homer has NEVER been attacked by a Tiger since he got that rock!

[atreides74.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sure it was a bear repelling rock.

[bertro.livejournal.com]

No, I think the citizen patrols were to thank in the case of the bear attacks which lead to Lisa's tiger-rock analogy or something like that.

[atreides74.livejournal.com]

You may be right. It's been a while since I've seen that episode.

[spencer-mato.livejournal.com]

In all honesty, the prisoners can stay in jail for all I care. If there is any doubt that they aren't terrorists, it is better for us to keep them locked up until we verify their non-combatant status. Deportation also seems like a persuadable avenue if it is warranted. HOWEVER, torture is never okay. Regardless of the combatant status. It makes us look cruel and unethical. If we are not willing to follow the UN sanctions that we REQUIRE other nations to follow then we cannot condemn those who commit such acts. Those who commit war crimes should never be allowed to go unpunished. NEVER.

[paintmeamovie.livejournal.com]

You are scary.

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

It's funny because the President will defy gravity but not socialism.

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

Socialism is against the laws of nature, like Obama and his defiance of gravity. We really should just eat suspects from the hindquarters like they do on the veldt.

[atreides74.livejournal.com]

I believe that's Holder, not Obama.

[mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com]

these guys really need to improve their caricatures. i could barely notice the eyebrows and mustache until looking it over closer now.

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

This is the cartoonist who gets around a lack of skills by doing all his faces very narrow. He's like a latter-day Giacometti.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

are you Lather2002's wife?

Because, of course, what's REALLY happening is that innocent people are being released, and people who broke the law are being investigated.