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[lather2002.livejournal.com]

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[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

I'm actually really glad you posted these.

It reminds us that so much of what is being said now about Obama was sad about FDR, who also inherited a massive economic mess from his predecessor. FDR's proposals were popular with the public, but politically controversial initially to many in DC. And yet, much of the New Deal is such a cornerstone of American life, that only the ballsiest of Republicans would suggest overturning it (I actually read a George Will column in 2007 in which he declared a minimum wage to be socialist and unamerican...!!!?!!!). So much of it, in fact, we completely take for granted, and we forget how much great things we got out of this one (lengthy) presidency. And FDR is constantly ranked as one of our greatest and most popular Presidents. Etc.

The only problem is that, compared to FDR, Obama is Barry F'ing Goldwater. Hell, by today's standards, even Eisenhower would be deemed too far left for the Democratic party in many regards, not to even mention how the GOP would treat him.

Obama seems to be flinching (but not as much as Congress) in the fact of these invectives from the right... FDR never did. Obama could stand to be more like him.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

And FDR is constantly ranked as one of our greatest and most popular Presidents. Etc.

Completely undeservedly. The tide has to turn on FDR eventually, Obama might be the one to do it.

[red-pill.livejournal.com]

no offence, but its been fifty years. sixty achuly. more if you want to go from the start of his term. i dont think the tide is going to role on FDR

i studyed his stuff, becous the FDR presidncy is appanrlty more intresting then the uk goverment over the time (although i delt with it in year six), and i can say, some of the stuff he did was dodgy (stuffing the court), alot of his stuff was progressive, postive, and a step in the right direction. strngthing union rights, providing power for the tenese vally, he helped to fix the econmy in the 30's, and when he relaxed, to try and repair the debt, he the county slid back.

i have no illisions of his flaws, but thay are far out weighed by the goods he did.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Except that the good he did was very little. Here are some other books for you to study: The New Dealer's War by Thomas Fleming, The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes.

[red-pill.livejournal.com]

heres a short ansere. youve named two books. i could, if i did the reserch, find a dozen for it. i saw a revew of the forgoten man. the revew didnt think much of it.

further, my reading list is quite full already. ive got battle royal, starship troopers, the spanish civil war and the bomb: a life to get threw. so, why not sum up why the new deal was bad, and then ill do some reserch and come back and tell you why i think its good, or refute your points. if you can wait a day, ill give you a post full of evidnce for my postion anyway.

not to mention, more genrely, the graph below, showing the GDP growth. the improvement in work conditions, the strengthing of union rights (unions are a throny issue, of corse, but aguebuly, unions and busness are a balance on eachother).

so yea, if your intrested, i mean, realy intrested to endage in debate, then ill be happy too. i enjoy it. but alot of conservitves on here cut off there contact. i would rather not put in the effort for a dead thread.

[terminator44.livejournal.com]

The only problem is that, compared to FDR, Obama is Barry F'ing Goldwater. Hell, by today's standards, even Eisenhower would be deemed too far left for the Democratic party in many regards, not to even mention how the GOP would treat him.

That is FDR's legacy. He laid the groundwork for future presidents to seize power in a way we would regard as outright dictatorship today. Imagine the public outcry if Obama tried to increase the size of the Supreme Court.

[red-pill.livejournal.com]

small doubt that packing of the court was a dodgy postion. but one that both at the time and with hind site isnt found pertcuelry tasteful or sensble. the messure failed. and it has stood since as a folly. it is indictive of frustration. stupid frustration on his part. and its a mar on his presidency. one that wont be forgoten. but it dose not erase the good he did.

[lather2002.livejournal.com]

FDR was one of the worst Presidents the USA has ever experienced. He not only caused a recession from becoming a history making depression but all the while took apart the U S Constitution using the economic depression as a opportunity to so, laying the groundwork for the USA to transformed into the USSA. As practically every historian has noted it was WWII that finally brought economic prosperity once again. Yeah, Obama is simply finishing the work of FDR alright.

[prock.livejournal.com]

FDR was one of the worst Presidents the USA has ever experienced.

Possibly, but he was 10x better than 'W'.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

10 * 0 = 0

[red-pill.livejournal.com]

no, from 0 comes one, one becomes two, two becomes ten, ten becomes 100. it all gose back to zero. thats why you have to stop zero.

ok, i might have been playng to much metal gear...

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Irrelevant reply is irrelevant.

[prock.livejournal.com]

Master of irony, eh?

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[i.livejournal.com]

now, now, don't expose the poor boy to facts.

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[lather2002.livejournal.com]

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[i.livejournal.com]

what a load of crap on more levels than i care to deal with.

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[star-white.livejournal.com]

Holy shit... Obama is actually Cuban!

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[red-pill.livejournal.com]

ok, i got board, but his the skinny.

obama. is not. a communist.

he is, at worst for you (And best for me, since i belive it to be the best postion) and soclisist-captalist. the goverment of the us already gives everyone free eduction. i only mntion that becous it was about then i got board.

people want change. genrely. you dont vote the old goverment out of power if the new goverment is offering more of the same, do you? the kind of poltics with no change would be a dictorship. the kind you seem paranoid about.

at least obama has yet to say a dictorship is fine, as long as his the dictator...

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[lather2002.livejournal.com]

"gives everyone free eduction"

Nope. Property taxes and, with the advent of the useless Federal Department of Education, a portion of every individual's income tax goes to pay for "Education". Nothing is FREE that any government provides.

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[red-pill.livejournal.com]

you know what, your right, its a misnoma. but one that your video is also guilty off. so you'll forgive me if im not to worryed.

prahapse you would prefer this statement "the us already has eduction for all, free at the point of service". your video certenly seemed to decry eduction for all, free at the point of service. witch is odd, to say the least. do you not think that teaching children, and there for fostring the next genration, is a worthy quest?

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[adrunkencadence.livejournal.com]

Soo.... do you remember that Bush's first presidential campaign was one promising "change". The collective memory of this country is appalling.

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[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

Thanks for posting that.

This is a graph I will carry in my memory.
March '33 through to '36. Some three years or so.

The 'knee' in '37 when the attempted budget balance brought the economy down again could perhaps be 'smoothed' this time, with luck. Perhaps a slower repayment of total debt?

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

He not only caused a recession from becoming a history making depression but all the while took apart the U S Constitution using the economic depression as a opportunity to so, laying the groundwork for the USA to transformed into the USSA.

Okay, now you have convinced me that you are a Colbert-esque troll. Bravo, the act is quite convincing. :)

[donolectic.livejournal.com]

Question - how was WWII paid for? Did the government place any control over the economy, the free market, or the common man during the process? Because, looking at it, WWII was one of the largest examples of massive government intervention in the day to day lives of our citizens in our nation's post-civil war history.

[ubiquitous-a.livejournal.com]

Um, LJ Cut, plz?

[aravistarkheena.livejournal.com]

Seconded. Seriously.

[drivebyluna.livejournal.com]

Thirded.

Just continiung the pattern of sizing...

[pacotelic.livejournal.com]

[dwer.livejournal.com]

the funniest damn thing in this post is your fucking user icon. PLEASE. PLEASE. PLEASE nominate that bimbo. I BEG OF YOU.