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WARNING: Economy Enlargement Stimulus Package works through the process of economic fossilization. Bi-stimulus package may be required in certain areas of New York and San Francisco. If the economy stays fossilized for more than four years, contact a Republican representative in your area.

Date: 2009-07-28 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Asset_Relief_Program

Date: 2009-07-28 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivianc1968.livejournal.com
Hmmm. Both were passed by the Democrat controlled Congress with a minimum of Republican support.

The package should replace "Republican" with "Conservative" and it would be more accurate.

Date: 2009-07-28 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
ZOMG NO TRUE SCOTSMAN REPUBLICAN WOOD HAVE VOTED FOR THOASE!!11~

Date: 2009-07-28 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivianc1968.livejournal.com
I WUZ AGAINST BOTH OF THEM BUT I IS A CONSERVATIVE AND NT A REPUBLICAN.

Did I capture your spelling and grammar mistakes well enough? Is this the troll fashion I need to know to be accepted?

So point me at the Conservative party website.

Date: 2009-07-28 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
No, simple mockery of your stupidity in typographical form.
You should be used to it by now.

So point me at the Conservative party website.
I'd love to read their platform.
From: [identity profile] vivianc1968.livejournal.com
We don't have a party.

And thanks for the reminder that I'm stupid again. I'm sure my undergrad and graduate professors are ashamed. What can I say? I had to start in government-run schools. My kids won't have that handicap.

Well.

Date: 2009-07-28 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
That's funny, I keep hearing how all these Republicans are supposed to be Conservatives. Isn't that why you people voted for them all those times?

Ironic, then, that so many of those allegedly conservative Republicans voted for TARP and the first round of Stimulus.

As for stupid: I just take you on your own words. Stop spouting bullshit that a fourth grader could disprove and that opinion may change.

Out of curiosity, what are you studying?

Re: Well.

Date: 2009-07-28 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivianc1968.livejournal.com
Where do you hear that from? The liberal media? Maybe you need to dig deeper. Conservatives weren't so happy with Bush but Kerry and Gore would have been worse. Conservatives weren't happy with McCain but Obama has been worse.

I've voted for the lesser of two evils. That hasn't been working out so well. I'm trying to find someone better to run in IL-10 to defeat our current RINO.


Since you asked, AS degree in Computer Science, Bachelor's in Communications and Masters in Business and Technology Management. I'm not in school right now but I'm teaching in the corporate world and also managing Lean Six Sigma projects.

HUR HUR LIBRUL MEDIAZ

Date: 2009-07-28 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com

A classic example.

"Stupid" in this case is short for "memetically pwned by corporate think tanks".

I'll try to stick to the long-hand for you.


Re: HUR HUR LIBRUL MEDIAZ

Date: 2009-07-28 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivianc1968.livejournal.com
You think the media isn't liberal? You disagree with PEW (http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=829)? Or Harvard (http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/barro/files/bw04_0614.pdf)? Or UCLA (http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx)? Or Rasmussen (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1ce_1218487253)? How about voting records (http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics3.asp)? Or political contributions (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/)? Heck, even the owner of the evil FoxNews raised money for Clinton (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12762092/).

Now, with this handful of information, you don't have to agree with my (or the majority of American's) assessment, but it is not something that can be dismissed out of hand. It is a belief backed by research.

Re: HUR HUR LIBRUL MEDIAZ

Date: 2009-07-28 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jamie-miller.livejournal.com
PEW:

national press: 34% liberal, 54% moderate, 7% conservative -- this hardly represents a "liberal media." If a city was 34% African-American, 54% white, and 7% Asian, would you describe it as a "black" city? Of course not.

"Harvard" (actually UCLA and U Chicago -- do you actually read these?) study conveniently excludes any data sources that may skew their results: "Because of problems in data collection, the list excluded The Wall Street Journal, but it will be added soon. Also excluded is talk radio, which seems to have a conservative bent. Bottom line: The Groseclose-Milyo study shows the media are skewed substantially to the left of the typical member of Congress."

UCLA: see above, it's the same study

Rasmussen: this is a national opinion poll and not a scientific study on actual bias.

Voting records: this shows that reporter tend to vote Democratic. It does not show that they are liberal. It also does not demonstrate that their personal political preferences influence their reporting.

Political contributions: Did you read the fine print? (Probably not.) "Then, with a list of about 300 apparent journalists, we tried to contact them all. The list published here includes only those who either confirmed that they made the donation or did not respond. The final list represents a tiny percentage of the working journalists in the nation."

So, to summarize: Your "facts" fail.

Re: HUR HUR LIBRUL MEDIAZ

Date: 2009-07-28 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivianc1968.livejournal.com
National opinion is that new media is biased left.

Journalists vote for and donate to Democrats at a much higher rate than Republicans.

Talk Radio is not news. It is opinion. It does not matter unless you now count ALL news outlets as opinion and not fact reporting. The Wall Street Journal was covered in a different study which found that its editorial pages were conservative but its news coverage was liberal.

Did you hit reply too soon? I see your OPINION of the polls and studies but no links backing any of your positions.

Re: HUR HUR LIBRUL MEDIAZ

Date: 2009-07-28 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jamie-miller.livejournal.com
National opinion used to be that blacks and women weren't fully quite human. So what? I don't care what "national opinion" says; I care what the facts are. Perhaps you don't? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness)

These aren't my "positions," these are observations about the links you gave. I don't need links to back up simple logic. This is like me saying the sky is blue and you saying "LINKS PLZ."

Talk radio (and outlets like the Daily Show, etc.) may not fall under the category of traditional journalism, but would you agree that there are lots of people who get the vast majority of their news from these sources? The Pew research organization has certainly found that to be true.

Date: 2009-07-28 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
Liberals don't have a party, either; at least in the US.

Date: 2009-07-28 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annainthecity.livejournal.com
www.govtrack.us says:

385 ayes, 35 nays, 11 not voting for the first one.
74 ayes, 25 nays for the second one, with 15 Rs and 10 Ds voting no.

So I think that means you be wrong.

Date: 2009-07-28 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueduck37.livejournal.com
Really? Because, seeing as how I don't have a short-attention span unlike most Americans, I can remember President Bush and Hank Paulson coming up with that bill and ramming it through Congress with no debate or hearings whatsoever. I can remember congressional Democrats demanding a real debate and time on the bailout, and Bush responding by telling them the economy would DIE if they don't pass it right away, without question. I remember a NY Post editorial (which I'd be happy to link you to... it appeared in this issue (http://www.nypost.com/seven/09232008/frontback.htm)) saying the same things. I remember both the GOP presidential and VP candidates supporting it. Etc.

I know you guys are trying to pretend that you weren't in charge of the country for most of this decade, but let's at least be honest here.

Date: 2009-07-28 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivianc1968.livejournal.com
From your link:
Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, the top-ranking Republican on the Banking Committee, said he was concerned the Bush bailout plan was "neither workable nor comprehensive" and he opposes "swiftly" approving it without debate.

Bush sent 3 pages, Democrats responded with 44. Who wrote the bill again?

Date: 2009-07-28 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueduck37.livejournal.com
Your response shows a complete lack of knowledge of how politics in Washington DC works. By your logic, the invasion of Iraq was all Tom Daschle's doing.

This was a Bush/Paulson plan, plain and simple... yes, Congress wrote it, but only because Bush demanded and browbeat them into doing so every step of the way (sidenote: and most of the provisions that Democrats wanted in the bailout never made it to the final version). So if your complaint is that Democrats in Congress far too often acquiesced to Bush's demands and agenda, then we are in 100% agreement.

Date: 2009-07-28 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivianc1968.livejournal.com
I don't understand how someone as stupid as Bush supposedly was and the "lamest of the lame ducks" without any backing or political capital could browbeat Democrats intent on taking over the Oval Office to give in to his demands.

Date: 2009-07-28 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueduck37.livejournal.com
Hey, it didn't make any sense to me either why the Democrats kept caving in to him, but it happened. Other than Social Security privatization, Bush got everything he wanted.

Date: 2009-07-28 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ygrii-blop.livejournal.com
...it didn't make any sense to me either why the Democrats kept caving...

For real. Remember all that talk around 2003-04 about "keeping our powder dry"? Well, one would think the Democrats have so much dry powder stocked up by now it's a wonder static electricity hasn't ignited it and blown D.C. and much of the surrounding area off the face of the planet.

Date: 2009-07-28 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donolectic.livejournal.com
Don't forget those couple of judges who were so freaking right wing even their own moderates had their doubts about them. Those damn obstructionist democrats!

why the Dems are afraid of Repuglicans

Date: 2009-07-29 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caerfrli.livejournal.com
ptsd from the Clinton impeachment and the stolen elections

Date: 2009-07-28 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluetooth16.livejournal.com
OMG LMAO!!! I especially like "Electing A Republican" instead of calling a doctor.

Date: 2009-07-28 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jblaque.livejournal.com
That's the GOP health care plan, silly.

Date: 2009-07-28 04:32 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-07-28 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueduck37.livejournal.com
"Try electing a Republican"??

Yes, if only we had had a Republican president at some point in the last 10 years, things would be so much better right now.... oh, wait.

Date: 2009-07-28 05:39 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-07-28 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ygrii-blop.livejournal.com
Republican presidents can't do much on their own. Now, if we'd only had a Republican president with a Republican Congress, well now, everything would be just... oh, wait.

Date: 2009-07-29 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pepper-spray.livejournal.com
3 point, swish!

Date: 2009-07-28 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jamie-miller.livejournal.com
Now see, this is actually kind of funny, IMHO. Of course, electing a Republican won't solve anything -- wasn't it GW Bush who was president from 2001-2009?
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Date: 2009-07-29 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
I understood it was a gay reference, but I don't get it.

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