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[xforge.livejournal.com]

Never mind that the Republicans had to cheat to get a win.

Gore isn't blameless either; if he'd gotten a decisive majority the cheating wouldn't have worked.

[xforge.livejournal.com]

I really couldn't care less what you think about this. I believe there were things going on; the GAO thinks so too. Nothing will ever come of it and your denial of skullduggery is as convincing to me as a late-night ad for hot chicks on a 900 line.

[jessica-leah.livejournal.com]

Only 8 by my count.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Here's a fact: military ballots from overseas with no postmark or past the deadline were allowed to be counted. Team Gore fought that until Joe Liberman went on a Sunday news program and said he believed such votes should be counted. The Bush team manipulated this as a huge wedge issue claiming Gore didn't value military service and was trying to stop the voting process and really didn't believe in every vote being counted, citing Florida law in every instance.

Had Gore NOT caved in, none of the following recount issues would have mattered: Gore would have won with OFFICAL mandatory machine recount that took place immediately after the election.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

You're just stating an opinion and a "what if" that you don't know for sure would go your way.

No, you are quite wrong, this isn't opinion- this is a historical fact: the addition of questionable military overseas ballots gave Bush a technical lead.

Although Mr. Bush appeared to hold a fluctuating lead throughout the 36 days of recounts, Florida Department of State's Web site shows that without the overseas absentee ballots counted after Election Day, Mr. Gore would have won Florida by 202 votes, and thus the White House. But no one knew that until the 36 days were over; by then, it was a historical footnote.

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

That's because it's true.

Dem-probable voters were caged off the rolls by the millions.
It's still happening. It happened to me this vote cycle.

Diebold machines have documented security flaws, and documented instances of vote flipping.

[thormonger.livejournal.com]

And those evil Republicans kept control of the White House for another four years because of it, damn them!

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

It only works when the election is close, and there is sufficient deniability to prevent either investigation or revolution. See, Gore, Kerry.

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

[donkeyjon.livejournal.com]

How do voters get caged off from elections? I honestly am not being sarcastic here, I just don't understand how someone would accomplish this, since it's illegal to prevent people from entering voting places, and watchdog groups would make a HUGE stink if anyone tried.

Voter caging.

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

Like so:

Voter caging is a practice of sending mass direct mailings to registered voters by non-forwardable mail, then compiling lists of voters, called “caging lists,” from the returned mail in order to formally challenge their right to vote on that basis alone. Other methods, such as database matching, have been used more recently to compile voter caging lists. The practice is used almost exclusively by officials or members of the Republican Party, local and national.

In states where you have to be registered within x number of days before election day, more people are caught out. In states where you can register the day you vote, it doesn't work as well, because that's when most people that were going to vote catch the dirty trick.

This is why Republicans constantly raise the boogeyman of multiple vote fraud and keep pushing for tougher restrictions on voting. ACORN anyone? This provides the pretense they need to support caging tactics. In reality, there is are very few instances of people voting multiple times, or dead peoples identities being used to cast votes.

Sauce:

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/330/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_caging
http://projectvote.org/index.php?id=355

Makes you want to puke, no?

Re: Voter caging.

[donkeyjon.livejournal.com]

While it is devious, I must admit that in general it doesn't bother me. Assuming that the following statement is true:

"When the voter turns out to vote, he or she may be challenged and required to cast a provisional ballot. If investigation of the provisional ballot demonstrates that the voter has just moved or there is an error in their address and they are legally registered then their vote should be counted. If the investigation proves that they are not legally registered then their vote will not be counted."

If that's true, than no votes get lost that shouldn't be dropped in the first place. Now, the application of this only to certain districts and not others, that's pretty much horseshit. Hell, every state ought to do this as a matter of course for the entire state about 3 months before an election anyway.

Re: Voter caging.

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

Many states have time limits; no reg in by x date, no vote.

Provisional ballots are frequently not counted, and are more easily disputed.

Keep in mind too that most states have partisan appointees or other partisan officials in charge of election processes. Katherine Harris anyone?

All of this together amounts to massive disenfranchising, usually of the poor, frequently of soldiers. They've been convicted of it before, and have been doing it again.

[ygrii-blop.livejournal.com]

So when do we, the people, accept our portion of the blame? We allowed the Bush misAdministration to happen. With every outrage we clucked our disapproval then went back to what we were doing, getting fatter, blander, and more apathetic. This is our nation, our government. Blaming Bush or Gore or the Republicans or the Democrats is a foolish game when the blame rests squarely on us.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

Gore and Kerry weren't bad candidates (not great, either), but neither could prove to the voters that they had more personality than a warm potato. If either could have nudged that in the ExXxTREME direction, they could have bagged it.

[tubaboy81.livejournal.com]

Kerry, not a bad candidate? It took me almost the entire first debate to understand his position on Iraq, at which point my friend and I took five seconds to rephrase it so a normal person could comprehend it. He would have made a better president than Bush, but he was a horrible candidate.

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

Of course you do.

Obama wasn't ready 4/8 years ago.

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

Do you sp33k in anything but intarwebz?