Date: 2009-01-04 01:30 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-01-04 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellie-kay.livejournal.com
i'm with the guy on the bottom right. :-)

Date: 2009-01-04 08:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
Yeah, he looks about like I imagine you.

Date: 2009-01-04 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fragbert.livejournal.com
Except for the gang signs.

Date: 2009-01-04 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fragbert.livejournal.com
Her info page has pictures on it. At least one shows her in front of Wrigley Field doing an impersonation of a badass gangsta.

Date: 2009-01-05 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
lol, awesome.
Thanks! =D

Date: 2009-01-05 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
I'll bring over my SUV and we'll frivolously waste carbon together.

Heck, it's got a trailer hitch, I'll tow something to make it even better.

Date: 2009-01-05 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellie-kay.livejournal.com
works for me!

Date: 2009-01-04 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rawbery79.livejournal.com
Well played!

Date: 2009-01-04 02:12 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-01-04 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
With the possible but not altogether unlikely exception of the guy in the lower right, the really funny thing about this is, every one of those could be (and might be) actual man-on-the-street quotes.


Date: 2009-01-04 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capthek.livejournal.com
With current gas prices, I can even picture guys like that.

Excellent post.

Date: 2009-01-04 03:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
I've met people who have actually said what he said and meant it.
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Date: 2009-01-04 08:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
All the harder I'll laugh when the gas prices go back up.


Date: 2009-01-04 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
Totally.
I was appalled to learn this morning that people are already going back to guzzlers.
Fucking morons.
Like it's not going to happen again.
=P

Date: 2009-01-04 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marksism.livejournal.com
It's like I've always thought and said before: even if we're not warming the planet, environmental preservation and "green" initiatives do serve a greater good. Be it for quality of human life or change of climates so new york doesn't turn into a swimming pool, it's all the same!

Date: 2009-01-04 08:14 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-01-04 08:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donkeyjon.livejournal.com
As someone who has worked on independent statistics projects in global warming (which, BTW, showed that the mean lake temperature for the US Midwest is at it's lowest point in the last 2 centuries), I agree wholeheartedly. In fact, the real travesty of global warming is that IT DOESN'T MATTER that both sides are lying, it's a good idea to reduce environmental impact ANYWAY.

Date: 2009-01-05 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
I'll be by later to take possession of your carbon burning vehicles.

It will be good for the environment, so I'm sure you'll agree it's a Good Thing.
Edited Date: 2009-01-05 02:53 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-01-05 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donkeyjon.livejournal.com
The truth is that this would be trivial if Detroit would get off their asses and make hybrid cars. I'd gladly drive a hybrid Camry instead of my gas-powered car. I'd gladly take public transportation if they actually had any in my community.

So, in essence, you are exactly right, and I support your sarcastic comment 100%.
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Date: 2009-01-05 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donkeyjon.livejournal.com
The papers are still being written. The gist of the research is looking at mean temperature data for lakes in Iowa, Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois. These states have the advantage of having temperature data for their lakes that go back to the early 1800's.

The big problem with most of the global warming data you see is that it makes a faulty assumption that change within, say, the last 20 years is useful and rational. This is completely insane, because the natural temperature cycle of the planet is simply longer period than that. So, to really study global warming, you have to figure out what the real temperature cycle is. So, this study went to find what the temperatures do over a nearly 200 year range.

Short answer: In the early 1800's, temperatures were also increasing steadily, to levels much higher than what we see today. Then, temperatures began dropping steadily over several decades until the early 1900's. At which point they began rising again. It was actually very interesting research, and it changed how I look at climate change reports. Namely, don't believe anybody who provides you with information that's less than a century old.

Date: 2009-01-06 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
Are you correcting for insolation changes in the watershed as land use change from ag to forest to suburban?

Date: 2009-01-06 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donkeyjon.livejournal.com
If I recall, we normalized the data based on population density. Basically, we didn't want to have bias based on human effect, so we had to take humans out of the equation. I know that's not the same as what you're discussing, but it should negate many of the effects you'd be worried about.

Date: 2009-01-05 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
If only the people pimping this didn't insist they needed large amounts of other people's money in order to do these things.

Date: 2009-01-06 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacotelic.livejournal.com
When's the last time I asked you for money?

Date: 2009-01-07 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desidono.livejournal.com
If only they didn't spend it on crap like this, they could be spending it on things like better erectyle dysfunction medication for peeps like you!

Date: 2009-01-04 07:07 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-01-06 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] savagemind.livejournal.com
I object on the grounds that everyone, even those of us who are environmentally-conscious, should still do everything in our power to mock Al Gore.

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