Simple question time. Lets leave out that fact that marriage is part of a private club/religion, and civil unions is all the state should have their greedy little hands in.
Heres the question. Should one lifestyle be better or more deserving of rights over another in the eyes of the state?
I guess it depends on what you mean by "lifestyle." For example, Catholics could enjoy more rights than say the Wemale religion. Since Catholics would be allowed to practice communion where the eat "the body of Christ" while the Wemale would NOT be allowed to practice their communion where they eat the body of an actual woman they just sacrificed.
So, I guess the technical answer is "yes." But I have a feeling you were trying to lead us all down some logical path that helps you make some sort of point regarding gay marriage. So, please spell it all our for us and we'll discuss from there.
First of all, lets stick to marriage as this is what the cartoon is about. So sticking to marriage is one lifestyle of marriage better than another? Since the government insists on having their hands in the marriage/civil union pool, who do we grant the right to? Which marriage lifestyles should get the right and which ones shouldn't? What are the rules or is it a pick and choose because two are less icky than the others?
First, the government needs a role in marriage since there are laws related to marriage (e.g. inheritance, child custody and responsibility, power to make decisions for the other person in certain situations, etc.). I'd be all for having the government in charge of only "civil unions" and keep marriage to the churches or other private groups. But it would be very hard to untangle the mess at this point.
My first instinct is to say that the gov't should not pick and choose who can be married and who can't. But then I start thinking about where this can lead us... Can I be granted a civil union with... my first cousin? my brother or sister? my mother or father? my five best friends? the entire Boston Celtics basketball team?
So at some point it seems a line needs to be drawn. I think the problem we will have in society for the rest of eternity is that we will have strong disagreements about where that line should be drawn. Think of the fact that it was not too long ago that the line was based on race. Now that it's cleared that hurdle, sexual orientation is next. Polygamy and incest may not be too far behind.
Finally, someone on this site who can have an intelligent debate.
I agree with your first part. "I'd be all for having the government in charge of only "civil unions" and keep marriage to the churches or other private groups. But it would be very hard to untangle the mess at this point."
As for the rest of it, I am for fairness. So I think that if we have to define marriage, we should have the traditional definition, man and woman, because thats where it started or it should be open for all. I do not think, if the definition is going to be changed, we should be picking and choosing who we give the rights to. So, if gay marriage is allowed, I believe that any consenting adults or adults should be able to get married.
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Date: 2008-06-19 12:05 pm (UTC)Heres the question. Should one lifestyle be better or more deserving of rights over another in the eyes of the state?
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Date: 2008-06-19 09:17 pm (UTC)So, I guess the technical answer is "yes." But I have a feeling you were trying to lead us all down some logical path that helps you make some sort of point regarding gay marriage. So, please spell it all our for us and we'll discuss from there.
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Date: 2008-06-23 03:51 pm (UTC)My first instinct is to say that the gov't should not pick and choose who can be married and who can't. But then I start thinking about where this can lead us...
Can I be granted a civil union with...
my first cousin?
my brother or sister?
my mother or father?
my five best friends?
the entire Boston Celtics basketball team?
So at some point it seems a line needs to be drawn. I think the problem we will have in society for the rest of eternity is that we will have strong disagreements about where that line should be drawn. Think of the fact that it was not too long ago that the line was based on race. Now that it's cleared that hurdle, sexual orientation is next. Polygamy and incest may not be too far behind.
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Date: 2008-06-23 05:11 pm (UTC)I agree with your first part. "I'd be all for having the government in charge of only "civil unions" and keep marriage to the churches or other private groups. But it would be very hard to untangle the mess at this point."
As for the rest of it, I am for fairness. So I think that if we have to define marriage, we should have the traditional definition, man and woman, because thats where it started or it should be open for all. I do not think, if the definition is going to be changed, we should be picking and choosing who we give the rights to. So, if gay marriage is allowed, I believe that any consenting adults or adults should be able to get married.
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