I am usually not that big of a Bush basher, but that is seriously fucked up. You think the leader of the free world would have more sense and respect for our flag.
Is this photoshoped? We all know that the news would have been all over this if it was real. The placement of the hands looks off, kinda like one is floating.
http://soundingcircle.com/newslog2.php/__show_article/_a000195-000407.htm shows that the picture is from at least 2004. http://irregulartimes.com/flaggingsigns.html includes the paragraphs:
"Most recently, George W. Bush has spilled ink all over the American flag he insists that he is sworn to protect.
A little over a month ago, at a Republican political rally in Livonia, Michigan, George W. Bush signed his name as an autograph on the American flag. He did so not just once, but with several flags brought by his conservative fans solely for that purpose.
The funny thing is that George W. Bush has openly supported efforts by the Republican Congress to pass an amendment to the Constitution that would outlaw not just flag burning, but any "physical desecration" of the American flag."
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/06/president_bush_defaces_flag/ suggests that this isn't the first time he's signed a flag.
http://www.americablog.com/2006/06/did-george-bush-deface-american-flags.html says he did it in 2003.
http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/lofiversion/index.php/t57243.html this one's just weird.
I'd say it's pretty clear that it's happened, even if this picture happens to be photoshopped, which I don't really know enough about to say.
Ok, fair enough. He wrote on the flag. Thats well withing his rights. Now its up to you if that makes you not like him more or less. Or if it even matters. Now it would be hypocritical if you OKed this for other politicians but not condemn it because its Bush.
Actually, no. It's not within his rights. It's expressly against the law -- and I would feel the same no matter who did it.
And not only is it expressly against the law, but he is a politician who has spoken out AGAINST flag burning -- which is NOT against the law when performed as political speech, and IS an approved method of disposing of a defaced flag!
No, it's not. President Nixon would surely have been impeached if he hadn't resigned, though, since there were already efforts underway to start proceedings against him before he announced his departure; that's probably what that person was referring to.
Its a typical answer because you lost. It was pointed out to you that your wet dream wouldn't come true. So instead of say yeah you are right, you went into attack on something that had nothing to do with the topic to make yourself feel big. You are just mad because you know I am right.
As for my entry in my journal....Do you even know why that is there? Look at the date and figure out what was happening in MA at that time. Then you can talk without looking like an idiot.
Conclusion, you are mad because I am right and you don't like it. Well, come one now, post something else that has nothing to do with Bush NEVER being impeached. LOL. In the words of Obama, or close to the words, You are a typical democrat. HAHA.
I believe that the flag-code is part of the law. It's possible I'm wrong.
But freedom of speech only applies to POLITICAL speech. I don't think that signing an autograph on a flag is political speech, although I'm sure his lawyers would make that attempt.
Certainly, if not against the law, it's mighty hypocritical of him.
Its not against the law. So it really doesn't matter. The thing that bothers me is that the people who are bitching about it are the ones who burn the flag and wear it as clothing themselves.
Burning the flag as a political statement is different from burning it as a tinder.
Nuanced people can tell the difference. But then, nuanced people realize that it's his hypocrisy that's the problem, not that he's signing a plastic flag, and that it's what the flag STANDS for that's important, not the piece of fabric itself.
Honestly, I don't get the whole wearing it as clothing bit.
I was actually waiting for that typical response so I could proudly say that I have NEVER bitched about Obama not wearing a flag pin. Believe me or not, thats the honest to God truth.
Yes and yes -- It is against federal law (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+4USC8), but rulings on it have been in favor of the 1st Amendment aspect of the action.
Just another example of him and his ignoring and disrespecting the laws of this country when it suits them, and calling it patriotic.
TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 3 § 3. Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag Release date: 2006-03-20
Any person who, within the District of Columbia, in any manner, for exhibition or display, shall place or cause to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing, or any advertisement of any nature upon any flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America; or shall expose or cause to be exposed to public view any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign upon which shall have been printed, painted, or otherwise placed, or to which shall be attached, appended, affixed, or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, or drawing, or any advertisement of any nature; or who, within the District of Columbia, shall manufacture, sell, expose for sale, or to public view, or give away or have in possession for sale, or to be given away or for use for any purpose, any article or substance being an article of merchandise, or a receptacle for merchandise or article or thing for carrying or transporting merchandise, upon which shall have been printed, painted, attached, or otherwise placed a representation of any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign, to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark, or distinguish the article or substance on which so placed shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100 or by imprisonment for not more than thirty days, or both, in the discretion of the court....
Heres your actual law. He didn't break it. You lose.
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Date: 2008-03-20 02:37 am (UTC)EDIT: Take that back. Dates from 2006, according to a Google or three.
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Date: 2008-03-20 03:04 pm (UTC)http://irregulartimes.com/flaggingsigns.html includes the paragraphs:
"Most recently, George W. Bush has spilled ink all over the American flag he insists that he is sworn to protect.
A little over a month ago, at a Republican political rally in Livonia, Michigan, George W. Bush signed his name as an autograph on the American flag. He did so not just once, but with several flags brought by his conservative fans solely for that purpose.
The funny thing is that George W. Bush has openly supported efforts by the Republican Congress to pass an amendment to the Constitution that would outlaw not just flag burning, but any "physical desecration" of the American flag."
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/06/president_bush_defaces_flag/ suggests that this isn't the first time he's signed a flag.
http://www.americablog.com/2006/06/did-george-bush-deface-american-flags.html says he did it in 2003.
http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/lofiversion/index.php/t57243.html this one's just weird.
I'd say it's pretty clear that it's happened, even if this picture happens to be photoshopped, which I don't really know enough about to say.
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Date: 2008-03-20 06:55 pm (UTC)And not only is it expressly against the law, but he is a politician who has spoken out AGAINST flag burning -- which is NOT against the law when performed as political speech, and IS an approved method of disposing of a defaced flag!
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Date: 2008-03-20 07:12 pm (UTC)(And there've already been two, incidentally.)
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Date: 2008-03-20 07:19 pm (UTC)William Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton)
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Date: 2008-03-22 04:08 pm (UTC)As for my entry in my journal....Do you even know why that is there? Look at the date and figure out what was happening in MA at that time. Then you can talk without looking like an idiot.
Conclusion, you are mad because I am right and you don't like it. Well, come one now, post something else that has nothing to do with Bush NEVER being impeached. LOL. In the words of Obama, or close to the words, You are a typical democrat. HAHA.
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Date: 2008-03-20 07:13 pm (UTC)But freedom of speech only applies to POLITICAL speech. I don't think that signing an autograph on a flag is political speech, although I'm sure his lawyers would make that attempt.
Certainly, if not against the law, it's mighty hypocritical of him.
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Date: 2008-03-20 07:22 pm (UTC)Nuanced people can tell the difference. But then, nuanced people realize that it's his hypocrisy that's the problem, not that he's signing a plastic flag, and that it's what the flag STANDS for that's important, not the piece of fabric itself.
Honestly, I don't get the whole wearing it as clothing bit.
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Date: 2008-03-20 07:54 pm (UTC)So. Bitched about Obama not wearing a flag pin lately?
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Date: 2008-03-21 11:00 am (UTC)It is not a criminal statute.
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Date: 2008-03-21 02:54 pm (UTC)Still mighty hypocritical.
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Date: 2008-03-21 12:33 am (UTC)Just another example of him and his ignoring and disrespecting the laws of this country when it suits them, and calling it patriotic.
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Date: 2008-03-21 02:17 pm (UTC)§ 3. Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag
Release date: 2006-03-20
Any person who, within the District of Columbia, in any manner, for exhibition or display, shall place or cause to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing, or any advertisement of any nature upon any flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America; or shall expose or cause to be exposed to public view any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign upon which shall have been printed, painted, or otherwise placed, or to which shall be attached, appended, affixed, or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, or drawing, or any advertisement of any nature; or who, within the District of Columbia, shall manufacture, sell, expose for sale, or to public view, or give away or have in possession for sale, or to be given away or for use for any purpose, any article or substance being an article of merchandise, or a receptacle for merchandise or article or thing for carrying or transporting merchandise, upon which shall have been printed, painted, attached, or otherwise placed a representation of any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign, to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark, or distinguish the article or substance on which so placed shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100 or by imprisonment for not more than thirty days, or both, in the discretion of the court....
Heres your actual law. He didn't break it. You lose.